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3 years since he said he would propose, now he gets angry if I bring it up

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WaityKatie89 · 09/06/2020 23:28

Hi

I need some brutally honest advice about my relationship and to know if I’m being unreasonable.

I’ve written and rewritten this post so many times, so I’m just going to put the basics out and some background and hopefully you can give me some advice.

I’ve been with my OH for nearly 8 years. We’ve lived together for 5, own a home together and have a cat. He’s my best friend and I love him unconditionally which is why this situation has left me so baffled and to be honest, heartbroken.

About 3 years ago, I decided to end things and during the discussion (completely out of the blue) he told me he was planning on proposing.

Long story short, we stayed together but in the past 3 years nothing has happened - in fact, he now gets angry and annoyed if I try to bring up anything to do with engagements or marriage.

Initially he took me to look at rings as he wanted to propose to me with the “actual ring” but after about 10 months, that stopped and he started to get irritated when I brought it up.

Thinking it was just a bloke thing and that ring shopping isn’t exactly exciting for him. I carried on looking by myself but every idea I put to him was either “too expensive”, “are you sure of that one?”, “what if you change your mind?” etc.

The final straw came when I presented a design to him that was VERY under budget, about 10% of the budget he initially told me. So what did he say when I showed it to him? “It’s too cheap”. I absolutely hit the roof and told him all I wanted to do was be with him and that if that was really his reason for not getting a ring, then he clearly wasn’t serious. Well... he bought the ring, which was delivered 3 weeks later... almost 7 months ago.

It was “hidden” in his sock drawer, where it has remained COMPLETELY unopened (not even the parcel delivery bag has been opened) since.

OH still continues to get angry if I try to bring anything up about weddings etc. I’ve tried to talk to him (calmly, crying, joking) at different times, but every time he just gets angry and irritated and I end up in tears. On the flip side, he also regularly mentions how I will be his fiancé soon?!!

He’s said that he’s “excited on the inside” but because I want to talk about engagements “all the time” that’s what makes him so annoyed and why he gets angry every time.

So, here’s the big question - AIBU? Is there something I’m missing here that’s really obvious to everyone else because I would really like to know.

This whole situation has left me utterly heartbroken, it’s made me feel like the whole idea only came about because I tried to leave him and the subsequent avoidance is because he doesn’t want to. I’ve flat out asked him if this is the case to which he’s said no. I’ve even asked if we can take a proposal off the cards just for now, until this has all coolled down - thinking this might take pressure off him - but he refuses.

I feel so lost and heartbroken. I’ve been with this person for nearly 8 years and this has made me feel like o don’t know him at all. I feel like maybe this is my fault for being too excited and not letting it go? All I know is now that any proposal will be tinged with sadness because of of what has happened.

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ArriettyJones · 10/06/2020 14:46

You shouldn’t love anyone but a child unconditionally.

This.

AskingforaBaskin · 10/06/2020 14:49

What I was trying to say is that how can we assume he does not want to marry her? Could he be experiencing anxieties about proposal or the wedding?

Then he can use his big boy words and stop manipulating and hurting the OP.

Haffdonga · 10/06/2020 14:56

About 3 years ago, I decided to end things

Why?

Your relationship can't be as great as all that if you were planning to end it. Perhaps he also feels things aren't strong enough for a lifelong committment.

DisobedientHamster · 10/06/2020 15:22

You've been flogging this dead horse for 3 years already. No decision is still a decision. But now you know, this person does not want to marry you. He's shown you this. Choosing to stay with him is just that, a choice, to stay with someone who doesn't want to marry you.

backseatcookers · 10/06/2020 16:18

My husband expressed concern about how we will cope with another child - answer "be prepared to be a single parent" my family has an opinion about something different to mine - answer" cut them off" you get the gist.Its seems like every relationships are worthless to so many people.

This isn't true for threads I've seen on here. There have been quite a few similar ones recently and people have said it's irresponsible to have a child if you aren't both on board and lots of people also even expressed their personal views on the environmental impact of having children...

What people often say is to decide what you want more, another child or your husband. That's sensible advice as if a partner genuinely doesn't want another child and has been honest about that, it would be irresponsible to push it while staying with them.

OP needs to make a choice as much as her partner does. What does she want more, a partner who is excited to marry her and shares her opinion that marriage is important... or the partner she has now?

It's all very well people saying they've been together ages and not got married and they don't care - OP does care. She does want it. She has had it dangled like a carrot when she's mentioned splitting then taken away again when things settle down. With a dollop of his temper if she pushes it. I can't personally understand why she would want to marry someone who doesn't want to marry her just as much.

WoollyMammouth · 10/06/2020 16:23

The OP replied to say what happened 3 years ago.

I know you want to give it til the end of the year but he’s already had 8 years. If he doesn’t know by now then he doesn’t want to. What’s he waiting for exactly. I think you’re in danger of him proposing because you’ve given him an ultimatum then never actually setting a date. You’ll be back here with a child in five years time still waiting. It happens all the time on the relationship boards.

Also, do you really want a proposal that happens only because you’ve threatened to leave?

OhYeahYouSuck · 10/06/2020 16:50

I wouldn't marry him. Perfectionist or not, he's had more than enough time to organise something. If he wanted to marry you, he would have asked.

user1972548274 · 10/06/2020 17:06

Use that time to do the Freedom Programme course online then so you can learn what a healthy relationship looks like, and see how your behaviour in the present is influenced by your previous experiences of abuse.

Your willingness to blame yourself for his behaviour is striking - and would be bizarre given the circumstances were it not for your history of being abused.

Don't let him use "anxiety" as an excuse for coercive control.

And stop taking on burdens of responsibility for things that are not actually your fault.

user1972548274 · 10/06/2020 17:08

Other than being afraid to leave and face those emotions, why give him another seven months?

What is it about someone who's controlled, manipulated and disrespected you for three years that makes you see them as somebody you want to be legally tied to by marriage?

EC22 · 10/06/2020 17:11

He hasn’t proposed 3 years after he said he would.
That says it all.

M00dyM0nday1 · 10/06/2020 17:16

You already have your answer

His actions, speak louder than his words

He hasn't proposed to you

Villanemme · 10/06/2020 17:16

Why do women let men have this power? Walk away op, with your head held high, he's not worth it. And I bet as soon as you talk about leaving the ring will come out, there will be a proposal and then nothing again. Only a couple more years of you 'waiting'. Take the power away.

NoobTree · 10/06/2020 17:29

"OH still continues to get angry if I try to bring anything up about weddings etc. I’ve tried to talk to him (calmly, crying, joking) at different times, but every time he just gets angry and irritated and I end up in tears"

OP - re read this sentence. He knows it's important to you, he knows his actions hurt you, he knows it's something that makes you cry. Why the fuck do you want to marry someone who is so utterly dismissive of your feelings?

If dh does something that upsets me we talk it out, he doesn't automatically default to angry and make me cry, and either he explains his actions so I can understand his point of view or he tries to see it from my perspective.

Relationships are all about compromise, making the other person happy, being a team, knowing the other will always have your back. Why would you want to sign up to a life with someone who you know will always prioritise his feelings over yours? You're worth more than that.

icansmellburningleaves · 10/06/2020 17:37

He’s clearly no intention of marrying you. Don’t waste your fertile years being with someone who isn’t interested in a proper commitment.

Andwoooshtheyweregone · 10/06/2020 17:38

Get the book “he’s just not that into you” you’re still young enough to start again.

AgeLikeWine · 10/06/2020 17:55

Why do women let men have this power?

Because, even in 2020, far too many of us are still obsessed with ridiculous patriarchal assumptions that it is the man’s perogative to propose to us and that this is ‘romantic’ (🤮) and that we should sit around like passive, compliant, pathetic silly little girls waiting for them to do so.

Fuck that.

This idea is outdated, sexist bullshit, and it is astonishing that so many supposedly intelligent, liberated, independent women still buy into it. Grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your own lives, relationships and futures.

ItsNotAGameOfSubbuteoMatthew · 10/06/2020 17:57

I'm pleased you're going to talk to him about this.

A possible way to frame the conversation could be:

When you (e.g brush off my attempts to talk about getting engaged)
It makes me feel (e.g. sad that we don't have a future together)
So can you (e.g. tell me if you see us together in 10 years time with children)
So that I (e.g. can be sure I'm in the right relationship with the right person)
Can you do that for me?

And if he can't, I say this kindly, please don't wait till the end of the year. End it as soon as you hear that he can't commit to a future with you.

MrsBobDylan · 10/06/2020 18:15

He gets angry when you bring it up because you are forcing him to come up with more excuses. He has no intention of marrying you, he used it as a cheap shot to make you stay when you ended the relationship.

Open your eyes and take a good look at this man op. Don't piss your life up the wall by staying with him.

MrsBobDylan · 10/06/2020 18:20

Also, if you do break it off (and I think you should) be ready for him to get down in one knee with the ring in the sock drawer.

MrsGrindah · 10/06/2020 18:21

There’s really no point in bringing it up again is there?

SummerWhisper · 10/06/2020 18:25

This really stands out:

I tried to end things years ago as I didn’t feel like I was being appreciated in the relationship and as we had never really discussed futures at that point, I didn’t think we had one... until he mentioned a proposal. If I’m being honest, it had never even crossed my mind (not that I didn’t want it obviously) and it opened my mind to the possibility of a future together other than what we had at that moment in time.

He has positioned you in his side car, while you wait for him to move, change gear, rev, whatever. While you wait, hopeful of a change of direction, he calls all the shots. You currently have no power: you have given it all to him. Your update still positions you as powerless, waiting for him to give you direction.

Your self-esteem and sense of self-worth seem very low. All of your focus is on him. Once you have worked on your sense of self, there will be no 'him'. He is irrelevant to your life. The only solution is to work on yourself. There is no other solution worth contemplating. Flowers

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 10/06/2020 18:32

But you know something? No decision is still a decision, as my mother always told me. If you let someone decide your future for you, then you had just as much part in that as the other party

This is very, very wise and so true.
You are the only person in charge of your destiny and noone can "dangle carrots" at you if you dont allow them to. You can choose not to wait around and set yourself free. Its incredibly liberating to realise that you actually dont have to be at the beck and call of anyone else and you dont have to wait if you dont want to. Its your choice.

That definition of insanity applies here:

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result".

SunshineCake · 10/06/2020 18:36

When I was with dh I talked a lot about getting married. We went out one day and I tired in a ring. I put it on my wedding finger and he didn't say not too. Weeks later he, anyway, before I waffle on. I was moaning one day about engagement related stuff and he talked over me and proposed. I wish I hadn't said anything that day.

I would say nothing at all regarding weddings but you need to have a plan. Is there a cut of date where you will leave if he hasn't proposed? What about having children?

He is spinning you a line. Why are you so desperate to hold on to it?

TheNoodlesIncident · 10/06/2020 18:53

People do what they want to do. They find a way, even if it's hard.

If they don't want to do something, they will find a hundred excuses for not doing it.

The truth is, people do what they WANT to do. He doesn't want to marry you. If he did, he would have done.

It really is as simple as that. (Make sure you do get custody of the cat.)

B1rdbra1n · 10/06/2020 19:08

He has positioned you in his side car
what a great way of putting it!
People do what they want to do
I have found this to be true (if only I realised it decades ago)

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