Page 17 | To be utterly disgusted by the protests today.

SoggySocksAgain · 2020-06-07T23:26:07+00:00

Am I alone here? I am utterly disgusted by what I have seen in the news.

lemonsandlimes123 · 08/06/2020 17:19

justanother - you do realise when you post 'citation needed' and nothing else you look like someone who thinks they have said something very clever in the sixth form debate.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/06/2020 17:21

Really? Oh well citation is still needed though

Kezzywezzy · 08/06/2020 17:21

YES YABU. Go read and learn. It’s complicated.
Articles to read:
“10 steps to non-optical allyship” by Mireille Harper here
“America’s Racial Contract Is Killing Us” by Adam Serwer | Atlantic (May 8, 2020)
Ella Baker and the Black Freedom Movement (Mentoring a New Generation of Activists)
”My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant” by Jose Antonio Vargas | NYT Mag (June 22, 2011)
The 1619 Project (all the articles) | The New York Times Magazine
The Combahee River Collective Statement
“The Intersectionality Wars” by Jane Coaston | Vox (May 28, 2019)
Tips for Creating Effective White Caucus Groups developed by Craig Elliott PhD
“Where do I donate? Why is the uprising violent? Should I go protest?” by Courtney Martin (June 1, 2020)
”White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack” by Knapsack Peggy McIntosh
“Who Gets to Be Afraid in America?” by Dr. Ibram X. Kendi | Atlantic (May 12, 2020)
“The Myth of Systemic Police Racism” by Heather Mac Donald | WSJ (June 2, 2020)

Videos to watch:
Black Feminism & the Movement for Black Lives: Barbara Smith, Reina Gossett, Charlene Carruthers (50:48)
"How Studying Privilege Systems Can Strengthen Compassion" | Peggy McIntosh at TEDxTimberlaneSchools (18:26)
Explained | Racial Wealth Gap (16:12) here

TED Talks:
The danger of a single story - Chimamanda Ngozi Adiche here
The urgency of intersectionality - Kimberle Crenshaw here

Podcasts:
1619 (New York Times)
About Race
Code Switch (NPR)
Intersectionality Matters! hosted by Kimberlé Crenshaw
Momentum: A Race Forward Podcast
Pod For The Cause (from The Leadership Conference on Civil & Human Rights)
Pod Save the People (Crooked Media)
Seeing White
About Race with Reni Eddo-Lodge [UK focus]
UN:Just [UK focus]
About Race with Reni Eddo-Lodge[UK focus]
Beyond the Blade[UK focus]
The Grenfell Tower Inquiry Podcast[UK focus]
The Secret Life of Prisons[UK focus]
The Lockdown[UK focus]
Lynching in America - Confronting the legacy of racial terror
Intersectionality Matters with Kimberle Crenshaw
Say Your Mind
The Code Switch
Blasian Radio (anchor.fm/blasianradio)
Yo, is this racist?
Race Relations with TK Coleman - an entrepreneur in alternative education here
Patterson in Pursuit - Race Relations with TK Coleman here
Ben Shapiro - Ep. 1023 - Most Americans agree that policy brutality and rioting are wrong, so why are our political class indicting Americans for the death of George Floyd here

Books to read (non-fiction):
An American Marriage by Tayar Jones
Black Feminist Thought by Patricia Hill Collins
Eloquent Rage: A Black Feminist Discovers Her Superpower by Dr. Brittney Cooper
Heavy: An American Memoir by Kiese Laymon
How To Be An Antiracist by Dr. Ibram X. Kendi
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Guns, germs and steel by Jared Diamond
Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson
Me and White Supremacy by Layla F. Saad
Raising Our Hands by Jenna Arnold
Redefining Realness by Janet Mock
Sister Outsider by Audre Lorde
So You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluo
Slaay in your lane - the black girl bible
The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison
The Good Immigrant (USA) - 26 writers Reflect on America (Nikest Shukla)
The Fire Next Time by James Baldwin
The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle Alexander
The Next American Revolution: Sustainable Activism for the Twenty-First Century by Grace Lee Boggs
The Warmth of Other Suns by Isabel Wilkerson
Their Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale Hurston
This Bridge Called My Back: Writings by Radical Women of Color by Cherríe Moraga
They can’t kill us all: Ferguson, Baltimore, and a New Era in America's Racial Justice Movement by Wesley Lowery
When Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequality in Twentieth-Century America by Ira Katznelson
White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo, PhD
Between the World and Me: Ta-Nehisi Coates
Brit(ish) by Afua Hirsch [UK focus]
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Renni Edo-Lodge [UK focus]
I Am Not Your Baby Mother by Candice Brathwaite [UK focus]
Natives: Race and Class in the Ruins of Empire by Akala [UK focus]
The Good Immigrant by Nikesh Shukla [UK focus]
Lovers and Strangers: An Immigrant History of Post-War Britain by Clair Wills [UK focus]
Black and British: A Forgotten History by David Olusoga [UK focus]
SUPERIOR: The Return of Race Science
When they call you a terrorist
The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray [Europe/UK focus]

Books to read (fiction):
Beloved by Toni Morrison
The Colour Purple by Alice Walker
An American Marriage by Tayari Jones
Such A Fun Age by Kiley Reid
The Vanishing Half by Brit Bennett
The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead
To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas
Citizen: An American Life by Claudia Rankine
Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe
Native Son by Richard Wright
Billy - Albert French
Americanah by Chimamanda Ngozi-Adichie [partial UK focus]
Ordinary People by Diana Evans [UK focus]
Queenie by Candice Carty-Williams [UK focus]
On Beauty and White Teeth by Zadie Smith [UK focus]
Girl, Woman, Other by Bernadine Evaristo [UK focus]
Homegoing - Yaa Gyasi
If Beale Street Could Talk - James Baldwin

Films and TV series to watch:
13th (Ava DuVernay) — Netflix
American Son (Kenny Leon) — Netflix
Black Power Mixtape: 1967-1975 — Available to rent
Blindspotting (Carlos López Estrada) — Hulu with Cinemax or available to rent
Clemency (Chinonye Chukwu) — Available to rent
Dear White People (Justin Simien) — Netflix
Fruitvale Station (Ryan Coogler) — Available to rent
I Am Not Your Negro (James Baldwin doc) — Available to rent or on Kanopy
If Beale Street Could Talk (Barry Jenkins) — Hulu
Just Mercy (Destin Daniel Cretton) — Available to rent for free in June in the U.S. / Amazon Prime / Youtube for the UK
King In The Wilderness — HBO
Marshall ( Reginald Hudlin)
See You Yesterday (Stefon Bristol) — Netflix
Selma (Ava DuVernay) — Available to rent
The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution — Available to rent
The Hate U Give (George Tillman Jr.) — Hulu with Cinemax
When They See Us (Ava DuVernay) — Netflix (also When They See Us Now follow up with Oprah - Netflix)
Eyes on the prize - America’s Civil Rights Years 1954-1985 - YouTube - 14 hour long episodes
Little Fires Everywhere (Fiction)- Amazon Prime
The Incredible Jessica James (fiction) -Netflix
Explained:The Racial Wealth Gap - Netflix
Time: The Kalief Browder Story - Netflix
Who Killed Malcom X? - Netflix

AKissAndASmile · 08/06/2020 17:24

the OP didn't say they were disgusted at the action towards the horses, or the other violent acts (by a tiny minority). Those actions were disgusting, but actually OP said they were disgusted by the protests.

Karens are going to Karen

GreytExpectations · 08/06/2020 17:28

Do you think America would be rioting and having mass demonstrations if it had happened in Europe instead?

You sound so uneducated. Did you actually read the rest of my post that stated UK has a serious racism issue too? Or did you not even bother? You question makes no sense as a response to me post.

AKissAndASmile · 08/06/2020 17:31

Wow @Kezzywezzy
Amazing list!

AKissAndASmile · 08/06/2020 17:32

Most will continue to get their 'education' from Facebook and the Daily Heil, unfortunately.

Livingoffcoffee · 08/06/2020 17:33

@JustAnotherPoster00
Momentum thugs knew it would be on TV.
Citation needed

It's well known that large protests will always be targeted by some who don't care about the cause but want to take advantage to cause some chaos. It's typically bored young men who are using it as opportunity to live out their teenage anarchist dreams.

I'm so sick of people using the fact there were a handful of people being violent to try and ignore the actual issue and reason for the protest. I'm just not sure if it's that you're not capable of critical thinking and falling trap to the misdirection - or if it's just a cover for your own racism.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/06/2020 17:42

It's well known that large protests will always be targeted by some who don't care about the cause but want to take advantage to cause some chaos. It's typically bored young men who are using it as opportunity to live out their teenage anarchist dreams.

Absolutely, I questioned PP about the assertion of it being Momentum, Momentum is the oft used boogeyman for the right wing

Please point out my racism, troll as many threads as you can find for it, ive been calling out people on theirs all weekend

DestinationFkd · 08/06/2020 17:46

How strange that people have walked past these monuments for as long as they've stood there and never batted an eyelid.
Now suddenly they must become destroyed and defaced.
I wonder how much bigger the bandwagon is going to get. I'm surprised it hasn't collapsed under the weight of everyone jumping on it.

Raella50 · 08/06/2020 17:52

I was disgusted by it too. I saw some photos of the Belfast protestors and they were all properly distanced in 2m squares and it looked peaceful and dignified. That’s a fantastic protest in my opinion. The protests in London and Manchester were just truly frightening. Those police officers injured badly and one thrown from the horse? The graffiti on Churchill’s statue.. its just mob behaviour and is upsetting to watch when we’ve spent three months unable to see our families. People have been languishing and dying on hospital all alone, unable to have any visitors. Three months we’ve not been able to go to funerals or cuddle our nearest and dearest. I just think it’s totally time deaf in this global pandemic. There are many other things that have made me outraged recently too, VE Day celebrations and beach visits included. We probably will have a second wave of this killer virus and it’s scary to watch it play out.

Sweetlikecoca · 08/06/2020 17:53

I hope all these people that are harping on about the protest being “disgusting” are volunteers for the NHS and doing their part. Also I hope they will be disgusted when the shops open up and the towns and cities are heaving with people.
Not to mention the kids that are having to attend school due to their parents been front line workers.

GreytExpectations · 08/06/2020 17:54

@DestinationFkd

How strange that people have walked past these monuments for as long as they've stood there and never batted an eyelid. Now suddenly they must become destroyed and defaced. I wonder how much bigger the bandwagon is going to get. I'm surprised it hasn't collapsed under the weight of everyone jumping on it.

So you think it's a bad thing that people are finally feeling empowered to challenge the systemic racism that has kept them oppressed for the last 400 years?

Livingoffcoffee · 08/06/2020 17:57

@JustAnotherPoster00 Sorry if I misunderstood your post. I've just seen so many people over the past couple days use the couple of shit stirrers to vilify the entire BLM movement and it's exhausting

Everytimeref · 08/06/2020 17:58

The only thing that has totally disgusted me recently is a man having a knee placed on his neck until he died.

DestinationFkd · 08/06/2020 17:58

You can't rewrite history.
There is never an excuse for wanton vandalism, whatever your feelings.

flamingochill · 08/06/2020 18:05

Save your disgust for the injustices that we don't know about because they weren't recorded as well as victims like Breonna Taylor and countless others

Livingoffcoffee · 08/06/2020 18:06

You can't rewrite history.

Correct. But you don't have to accept heroism of the past either. You can learn and be better than the past.

flamingochill · 08/06/2020 18:07

People have apparently waited decades for the removal of the statue (I'm not local so this is something I read online) . How long were they supposed to wait? If it offended rich powerful white men it would be long gone

Raella50 · 08/06/2020 18:12

@flamingochill did everyone want it removed? How many people actually wanted it removed? I heard there was a long-running petition signed by 11,000 people which is less than 2% of the population of Bristol. I think it should’ve been put in a museum or something if it was causing offence but there not much glory in defacing an historic monument in mob rule

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 08/06/2020 18:22

did everyone want it removed? How many people actually wanted it removed?

Oh well, if not everyone wanted it removed, that's OK then!
Are the feels of people who want to remember a slave trader with a statue who sent thousands of people to their deaths more important than actual people who suffered and are still suffering from racism today?

Livingoffcoffee · 08/06/2020 18:25

@Raella50 I actually think there's a lot of glory in finally removing a monument of a slave trader.

DestinationFkd · 08/06/2020 18:31

You can learn and become better without wanton vandalism @livingoffcoffee

Raella50 · 08/06/2020 18:32

@Livingoffcoffee and you’re entitled to your opinion, of course. Some people will agree with you that it should be removed and others don’t. The point is there are many different opinions on that issue and we live in a democratic society where we don’t just take decisions to graffiti / destroy/ desecrate public property in a thuggish mob. Perhaps the majority or people didn’t want it removed? Why assume you are in the right?

ShinyFootball · 08/06/2020 18:34

Why would you want to keep a monument in honour of a slave trader

People were trying to get it removed for ages. Lots of talking little action. Sometimes people reach the end of their tether.

The council leader (I think it was) said he felt no sense of loss. And quite right too.