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To be utterly disgusted by the protests today.

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SoggySocksAgain · 08/06/2020 00:26

Am I alone here?

I am utterly disgusted by what I have seen in the news.

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ForTheCulture · 08/06/2020 11:58

"Between 1912 and 1914, a group of British suffragettes called the Women's Social and Political Union (WSPU) launched a campaign of militant action. Lead by Emmeline Pankhurst, they avoided harming people but committed various crimes to draw attention to their demands and put pressure on the government.

The frustration women experienced when their peaceful protests and participation in parliamentary enquiries failed to get the desired results. Faced by a government that seemed bent on denying suffrage to women indefinitely, the WSPU decided that more radical forms of protest were necessary.

Militant suffragettes destroyed contents of letterboxes and smashed the windows of thousands of shops and offices. They cut telephone wires, burned down the houses of politicians and prominent members of society, set cricket pavilions alight and carved slogans into golf courses. They slashed paintings in art galleries, destroyed exhibitions at the British Museum and planted bombs in St Paul's Cathedral, Westminster Abbey and near the Bank of England.

It is estimated that their campaign of destruction caused between £1 billion and £2 billion worth of damage to property in 1913-1914.

Pankhurst, a canny political operator, knew that their cause had to be kept in the news if it were to succeed:

"You have to make yourself more obtrusive than anybody else, fill all the papers more than anybody else if you are really going to get your reform realised."

The militant acts of the suffragettes filled the papers but many supporters of the suffrage movement thought they were counter-productive. Public support for women's suffrage declined even though many people deplored the way suffragettes were treated in prison.

The prominent politician Lloyd George, generally a supporter of votes for women, thought that the actions of the militants were ruinous to their cause. Some members of parliament declared that the militant acts proved that women were unstable, hysterical and not to be trusted with the vote.

The parliamentarians who declared the militant actions of the suffragettes showed that these women were unfit to have a vote were, of course, serving their own political purposes and pandering to the prejudices of many of their constituents."

Yet we fondly remember the suffragettes for their protests and it leading to the female vote.

I'm okay with losing a few statues if it leads to much needed change.

I think the protestors are very much on the right side of history

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 08/06/2020 12:01

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wink1970 · 08/06/2020 12:08

Thank you @RunningAwaywiththeCircus your post at 10.16 this morning sums up the logical and reasoned debate we should be having. If you don't mind I will quote it again

Somehow as a reasonably intelligent adult I am finding it possible to be all of these things simultaneously:

- outraged about racism (as a mum of a mixed race DC)
- pleased that the US policemen involved will feel the full force of the law
- grateful that I live in a country 4000 miles away from the above
- uncomfortable about Floyd being a poster boy when he is reported to have a history of violence esp against women
- appalled that protests have been marred by violence and mindless vandalism
- saddened that the WPC and the horse - both just doing their jobs - have been injured
- less inclined to endorse BLM unquestioningly as a result of the behavior of a minority of protesters because I don’t think any cause justifies violence and hatred.

This is playing into the hands of racists and taking scrutiny away from the shambolic government handling of the pandemic at a time when their feet should be held to the fire. Who will be blamed for the second wave? All of us. We are making it easy for them.

beachmist · 08/06/2020 12:09

To say you are disgusted by these protests only means you are actively contributing to what is a global problem. I don't even think problem is the right word, it doesn't even begin to describe what is happening. Racism is a disease that needs to be eradicated. Believe it or not, racism is here on your front doorstep. Educate yourself. Education is key

Lifeisconfusing · 08/06/2020 12:13

It is white people protesting along with black!!! Causing a lot of damage and harming people. I don’t give a dam what colour you are!! if you have good morals and you treat people with respect then that’s all that matters.

Every single one of those human beings have no respect for lives,so they are all scum of the earth. Black,white,yellow pink, blue??? I don’t give a shit all equally outrageously selfish!!! 😡😡

TheClitterati · 08/06/2020 12:15

the BLM protest I went to yesterday was peaceful, socially distanced and well attended. Nothing at all disgusting about it.

It was powerful, timely & necessary.

Tianalia · 08/06/2020 12:17

the BLM protest I went to yesterday was peaceful, socially distanced and well attended. Nothing at all disgusting about it

Great. Wasn't like that everywhere though was it.

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Sonotech · 08/06/2020 12:18

What I’ve got a problem with is that there is a small majority of people doing the damage and out of the small majority the majority are white people. More so - white men.

The March I witnessed in Manchester was peaceful and ordered except for a small few kicking bins over and climbing up stuff - they were white with masks on. They were there primarily for chaos and destruction not BLM

This needs to be acknowledged.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 08/06/2020 12:20

@Lifeisconfusing there was plenty of outrage over Lee Rigby's killing and it saw increased attacks on mosques and the Muslim population. The difference is, Lee's killers were immediately arrested and brought to justice.

Also Lee's family have asked that people stop using his image like this, his mother is very upset about it and has put out a statement.

AKissAndASmile · 08/06/2020 12:21

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happinessischocolate · 08/06/2020 12:38

@Lifeisconfusing

To be utterly disgusted by the protests today.
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ConkerGame · 08/06/2020 12:43

The media has, sadly but unsurprisingly, taken a discriminatory stance here. I was at the protests and only saw peaceful, sensible (wearing masks and socially distancing as much as possible) behaviour. I left at the end on Saturday and there was definitely no violence at that point As I walked straight through the middle to get home.

The violence was carried out by a tiny tiny minority (I think it was 12 people?! Out of thousands!) after the protests had already ended.

You really need to expand your selection of news sources - preferably to include some black-owned media.

Clavinova · 08/06/2020 12:46

I do find it weird that I've seen the word thug more than ever during the protests. Not lout or criminal or anti-social...thug. Racial terminology.

It's not racial terminology in the UK;

David Lammy
@ DavidLammy
Boris Johnson is a thug in a suit with a posh accent.
October 2019

happinessischocolate · 08/06/2020 12:46

Oh and calling Churchill racist...he’s the best leader the UK has ever had.

He may well of been a great leader during WW2 but he was also racist. Not opinion, fact, he said racist things, believed racist things and did racist things = racist.

I don't agree with putting graffiti on his memorial, but it's a bit of paint, and some sellotape and cardboard, it'll come off.

Lifeisconfusing · 08/06/2020 12:49

@happinessischocolate I’m sorry for posting about him I am ashamed it’s so awful for less family. It just angers me that it’s all about racism to black people. My mum is white my dad is black and my dad has had more insults about being married to a white woman then she has about being married to a black man. At school a girl used to ask me if I wanted to be black or white it really affected me I felt so uncomfortable in my own skin and it still affects me now.

beachmist · 08/06/2020 12:51

@AKissAndASmile what a repugnant thing to say

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 08/06/2020 12:54

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beachmist · 08/06/2020 12:54

In a nutshell

To be utterly disgusted by the protests today.
MadameMarie · 08/06/2020 13:01

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@Lifeisconfusing there was plenty of outrage over Lee Rigby's killing and it saw increased attacks on mosques and the Muslim population. The difference is, Lee's killers were immediately arrested and brought to justice.

Also Lee's family have asked that people stop using his image like this, his mother is very upset about it and has put out a statement.[/quote]
The Floyd murder is nothing to do with Britain

beachmist · 08/06/2020 13:04

@MadameMarie it has everything to do with the UK. Yes, it happened in the US. But it resonates here because racism is very, very real here too. It is important that we show solidarity. Do some research. The prejudice that black people face in America is the same prejudice that black people face here. Don't be so ignorant

beachmist · 08/06/2020 13:06

The Met Police were deemed institutionally racist as a result of the way the horrific murder of Stephen Lawrence was originally dealt with in 1993

ForTheCulture · 08/06/2020 13:06

All those who are upset about the statue being removed, "erasing British history"

I'm sure we can all count on your support to include the slave trade and atrocities of the British Empire and colonialism on the school curriculum.

I know how much you all care about preserving history

Stuckforthefourthtime · 08/06/2020 13:08

@beachmist did you see the link that LifeisConfusing posted and which @AKissAndASmile was referring to? Asking why people weren't rioting about black people killing Lee Rigby, touting the death penalty and then quoting "All lives matter" is an astonishing post from someone claiming to be mixed race, and is also pretty repugnant with clear and very racist undertones.

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