To be utterly disgusted by the protests today.

[SoggySocksAgain]

Am I alone here?

I am utterly disgusted by what I have seen in the news.

We were stuck in the roads surrounded by protesters yesterday in London. We were in a car and protesters blocked the roads so we couldn’t get home. We observed a lot of young people going to the protest. We saw hardly anyone over the age of 40. Do older people worry about their health more? Are they less concerned? This was a protest by the young because they felt strongly and were not concerned about speeding Covid. No social distancing at all. We witnessed hundreds of people all marching together.

I was shocked by the bbc headline about “27 police officers injured in peaceful protest”

Wait

What?!

That is cognitive dissonance, right there in that headline, bbc!!!!

The BBC bias is astounding

You can see footage of shop keepers being beaten up and left for dead in the riots across the world

Peaceful? Yes, I am sure the majority is. But too many thugs and looters and violence to bystanders

[quote CorianderLord]@madamemarie I mean, while I don't approve of violence, white people said the exact same thing during the Civil Rights Movement. Rosa Parks was a criminal back then. [/quote]
True regarding the law then as it was. She didnt attack police officers and horses though.

Leaving the pandemic out of it, whenever there's a peaceful protest there are a few who take advantage of it to turn to anarchy. On the whole people were peaceful across the country.

I wonder how many would be as willing to protest in large groups against public health advice if the rate of mortality for the under 35s was the same as for their parents and and grandparents. Taking this virus home and into shops, onto buses, just when measures are starting to try to resume some form of normality. 42 TFL bus drivers have died already during this pandemic, most of them BAME.

@BubblesBuddy

We were stuck in the roads surrounded by protesters yesterday in London. We were in a car and protesters blocked the roads so we couldn’t get home. We observed a lot of young people going to the protest. We saw hardly anyone over the age of 40. Do older people worry about their health more? Are they less concerned? This was a protest by the young because they felt strongly and were not concerned about speeding Covid. No social distancing at all. We witnessed hundreds of people all marching together.

1) younger people don't tend to care about Covid because they think it's low risk to them personally

2. they're bored and sick of lockdown and more likely to get together in big gatherings (a lot if illegal raves and house parties)

[quote BovaryX]@GreytExpectations

There is racism in every country in the world. I have lived in many, I have experienced it from a variety of directions. I am viewing the situation in the UK from a distance. And many aspects 3this,
what is amplified, what is dismissed, what international events are highlighted, which are ignored indicative of a Western centric fixation. By the way, thanks for thinking you get to police the way I describe my background. I should have submitted to your approval for how I describe myself.[/quote]
OK I'm done with you. The fact that you are dismissing and minimising racism is enough for me to see you clearly are very uneducated on the subject. Really, don't bother tagging or addressing me as I see no value is discussing this with someone who is in denial of the current serious issues. And nice job at attempting to gaslight me.

I know people get offended with the Karen meme, but it really is mainly older white women who are more likely to be against an anti racism movement.

twitter.com/MilesParks/status/1268949400308637697?s=19

@AKissAndASmile

I know people get offended with the Karen meme, but it really is mainly older white women who are more likely to be against an anti racism movement.

Yes indeed and that's often the demographic on Mumsnet, hence the racism that's constant on here

I do not condone the violence. I have concerns re C19 and crowds. However I do support the tens of thousands of peacefully protested.

Not read the whole thread. I understand the protesters. The pandemic is a pressure pot - add disproportionate bame deaths, George Floyd and the other shocking history it’s incredible there aren’t riots every week. I think the slave trade owner memorials need torn down and streets renamed. Reparations need made. I regret the injuries/ increased infections/ probably deaths as a result of protesting but the vast vast majority are peaceful. People who are outraged- were you similarly outraged at Cheltenham going ahead? The rugby and concerts that went on when we clearly should have been in lock down despite what the inept government said?

@AKissAndASmile

I know people get offended with the Karen meme, but it really is mainly older white women who are more likely to be against an anti racism movement.

Men and women become more conservative as they age.

Many of today's older women would have been on similar marches when they were younger.

If you are below 40 and fit and well you are more likely if you are BAME to die related to racism or childbirth or by police brutality than COVID-19 . That is 0.2% risk of death below 39 . You are more likely to be killed for being black than dying from covid . What is heartbreaking is that people are willing to die protest in the middle of a pandemic so sad.

@R1R2 Tony Timpa was white, but also undergoing a mental health crisis while on cocaine and off anti-psychotic medication. The way he was treated was horrific and does show that disadvantaged people are often awfully treated by US police. It does NOT show that a white man who was alleged to have used a fake $20 note at a shop, as George Floyd did, would have been treated the same way.

@Tianalia and @MrsTannyFickler are you aware of the implications of using the word thug and thuggery here? There's a reason that Trump is using it too. The original idea of the 'thugee' groups is increasingly seen by academics as a colonial invention to demonise Muslim groups in India (robberies were real, any kind of organisation/cult was likely not), and now is used almost entirely against young black men. So when you use this word, it absolutely makes black people assume that you prefer black people to be well behaved and polite and wait another 50 odd years for things to improve. (@Tangerrenie this is also the issue with maternal mortality. Many people, from all different backgrounds ARE trying to help. But it's not enough).

@anicebag

Not read the whole thread. I understand the protesters. The pandemic is a pressure pot - add disproportionate bame deaths, George Floyd and the other shocking history it’s incredible there aren’t riots every week. I think the slave trade owner memorials need torn down and streets renamed. Reparations need made. I regret the injuries/ increased infections/ probably deaths as a result of protesting but the vast vast majority are peaceful. People who are outraged- were you similarly outraged at Cheltenham going ahead? The rugby and concerts that went on when we clearly should have been in lock down despite what the inept government said?

@anicebag Yes but they anger over Cheltenham/football/rugby and pubs staying open was directed at the government for not locking down.

These protests have explicitly been warned about social distancing. The fact they igniee these warnings shows lives don't matter to them as much as they say and it demeans their whole message.

Just a short google away- evidence that it’s not just American problem.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/06/a-black-mans-life-is-not-valued-attack-on-year-long-delay-of-uk-police-death-inquiry-darren-cumberbatch

novaramedia.com/2020/06/01/the-uk-is-not-innocent-police-brutality-has-a-long-and-violent-history-here/

www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/how-many-black-people-have-died-police-custody-uk-sheku-bayoh-sean-rigg-mark-duggan-and-other-cases-explained-2876226

www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/a32767493/restraint-technique-killed-george-floyd-used-uk-police/
^^ one of the men featured in this article managed to suffocate on the drugs in his mouth, whilst also having a police officer’s knee on his neck.

know people get offended with the Karen meme, but it really is mainly older white women who are more likely to be against an anti racism movement.

Bullshit it is. This isn't about anti racism, it's about damage and violence and the people who like to inflict that in the name of a cause, not caring what long term damage their actions will do to black people.

President Obama described looters as thugs and criminals in 2015. Is he a racist too?

President Obama doesn't regret using the term "thug" in describing the violent rioters in Baltimore this week, spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday."Whether it's arson or, you know, the looting of a liquor store … those were thuggish acts," Earnest said.In discussing the riots Tuesday, Obama assailed the "criminals and thugs who tore up the place," and described them as a distraction from the real issues of police brutality

Thuggery however also disgusts me. There is no justification for alot of yesterdays thuggish behaviour.

Interesting how Johnson reflected Trump’s language by using thug/thuggish, and that they’ve both used a word with strong racial connotations.

I don’t trust either of them (or quite a few MNers, frankly) on matters of race as far as I can throw them.