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@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

Worzel I would say that UAE is like the reverse of Nazi Germany or Ireland in the 60s. As there are no (or hardly any) white people to be in the superior position other non-white people are free to rise up and oppress the darker people.

Have you just compared Ireland in the 60s and Nazi Germany?

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No! You are quoting me out of context entirely. The only similar thing is that there weren't many black people.

FFS
It's obvious I am not comparing Irish people to Nazis

RTFT

There were not many black people in Ireland a few decades ago and nor were there in Germany around the time of the 3rd Reich therefore other ethnic groups were at the bottom of the power structure ie Travellers in Ireland and Jews in Nazi Germany

In the UAE there are not many white people so Emirati people replace them at the top of the hierarchy and oppress Asian migrant workers there.

It's a good thing I just popped on here in my lunch hour or I'd have to leave a post standing basically saying that I somehow think Irish people are Nazis

Please, please read a bit more carefully before making wild accusations

Woke, thanks for clearing that up.

I was called a 'fucking white bitch' by a man who I think was north African.

by using the term 'white' in such a vile, derogatory sentence I feel this was racist and I was incredibly upset by it. So yes white people can experience racism. My mum was also walking along a street of a predominately non white area of the city got spat at and a comment about her being white was made, I don't know exactly what.

However, as a white woman in the UK I will not experience institutional racism or prejudice,

It's short sighted to say white people don't experience racism. It's ignorant however to assume that one or two incidence in my life (at the age of 36) is anywhere near the racism experienced by the BAME community

I mean take Matt Hancock last night address one of the journalists by the wrong name simply because he was too lazy to address him properly- he then blamed his dyslexia!
Ironically the journalist (I can't remember who he was or who he was working for) was asking about the BAME community and how the government are helping (they're not)

Some great posts @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee @Choconuttolata @Blursula @GlendaSugarbeanIsJudgingYou and others

I was called a 'fucking white bitch' by a man who I think was north African.
Racial prejudice.

I've experienced racism in Harlem, NY, when I was told to get off the subway because I don't belong there.
Racial discrimination

Anti black racism in the Arab world

Anti black racism in the Arab world

The darker your skin the more oppressed you are. Simple as that.

@Choconuttolata Thanks for those!
You are the encyclopedia of these threads! So many great videos and links and articles

We agree that Jews, Roma, Irish travellers and Albanians amongst other 'white' ethnic minorities were and are subject to persecution
But here's a point no-one is making
Who is persecuting them?
It's not ever black people is it?Universally in all these examples it is white people because white people have the power

That’s because your examples are limited to Europe. The same thing happens everywhere and in the rest of the world, the power is not in white hands. The 1990s Rwandan genocide was black on black racism between the power holding Hutu majority and the oppressed ethnic minority the Tutsi. The recent and ongoing genocide and refugee crisis of the Rohingya people is Asian on Asian racism towards a minority ethnic group. Zimbabwe under Mugabe was black on white racism where all whites were stripped of their property, homes and forced to flee for their lives- many refugees went to the U.K. The Armenian genocide by the Turks in early 20thc was Middle Eastern on Middle Eastern. The Chinese racism against the Uyghurs currently has them in detention camps because they are an ethnic minority who not only appears half-white because they come from Central Asia, but also practices Islam.

Is it too much of a reach to say that if there are no black people available to occupy the lowest spot then some white people will be defined as inferior so that they can have it?

Yes because racism against minority ethnic groups within each race preexisted both the awareness of other races and the various migrations (or slave trades) that brought into being the diverse populations we see today.

Example, before the first white or black persons ever got to the Americas, the Aztecs were going around and capturing minority ethnic Native American groups, enslaving them and sacrificing them to Tlac on top of their pyramids. Moving north, the then Nomadic Hopi we’re attacking the cliff dwelling Anasazi, killing and burning their cities and eventually driving them off their lands.
Before the first black or white person ever came to China, the Mongols invaded and oppressed all the ethnic Han Chinese. Most of whom fled into southern China. Even today we can tell the difference by facial features along between a northern mongol Chinese and southern Han Chinese. We even have different languages!

I guarantee that before the first Asian or Black or Native American person ever got to Europe, there was racism between white ethnic groups going on. For example, the beaker people were wiped out by the Celts. Jews were continually persecuted and slaughtered or expelled from kingdoms. Roma gypsies as well. The Germanic tribes and Celtic tribes hated each other and the more powerful tribes would enslave the weaker. In Russia, the Cossacks started out as a nomadic tribe persecuted by Kievan Russians. It took centuries before they were accepted as an elite guard and Calvary Force.

PatricksRum
I was called a 'fucking white bitch' by a man who I think was north African.
Racial prejudice AKA RACISM! Which I have experienced.

Thanks for the lack of acknowledgement. If you completely choose to ignore reality you lose credibility.
Surely people should be listening to each other and working together. If you're hell bent on disregarding peoples' experiences that's very unfortunate for you.

• was called a 'fucking white bitch' by a man who I think was north African. Racial prejudice AKA RACISM! Which I have experienced.* It's not racism. There's no systemic power from the perpetrator. This act had no effect on you in society.*

Thanks for the lack of acknowledgement.*
You've come on a thread and made it about your infrequent experience of racial prejudice.

If you completely choose to ignore reality you lose credibility.
I've acknowledged the situation of racial prejudice you experienced.
*
Surely people should be listening to each other and working together. If you're hell bent on disregarding peoples' experiences that's very unfortunate for you.*
No, you should be listening to us and working to remove the racist behaviours from your race.

OP, can I clarify what you mean by racism/racial prejudice?

Definition of race prejudice,: prejudice against or hostility toward people of another race or color or of an alien culture

Definition of racism
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a: a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b: a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

(source: Websters online dictionary)

@solidaritea

Racism = racial prejudice + power

I've linked this quite a few times but it makes for interesting reading. White privilege, reverse racism etc
www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism

That link you posted OP is fascinating.

I was going to post about “how Armenians became white” but that link touches on similar...eg

The meaning of "whiteness" is historical and has shifted over time (i.e. Irish, Italian, Spanish, Greek and southern European peoples have at times been "raced" as non-white).

Were Jews in nazi Germany considered white at the time? Perhaps they were not thought of as white enough and maybe sub-consciously even Irish travellers are not considered white like us - are they “white but not really”?

I’m interested in who has been consistently allowed to be white throughout history?

Science, Colonialism and Genocide. The links below talk about both Nazi Germany and Rwanda.

www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/auschwitz-to-rwanda-the-link-between-science-colonialism-and-genocide-71730

www.beyondintractability.org/casestudy/fornace-rwandan

From the top link above:

In 1955 the writer from Martinique, Aimé Césaire made a radical statement on the colonial origins of the holocaust. He wrote that in the 1940s the Nazis

"applied to Europe colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs of Algeria, the coolies of India, and the n**rs of Africa."

I’m interested in who has been consistently allowed to be white throughout history?

Only the Nazi created “Aryan” race that lasted all of twenty years tops.

Race is a social construct. Even when there was white on white racism, they still viewed the other race as white. The idea that there is one white race superior to all other white and nonwhite races was was only consistently held and kept by the Nazis.

Every other white race has at sometime, been considered inferior to another white race. Often wars were fought between white ethnic groups to prove who was top, and then decades later another war but with the loser of the prior war winning the next round. The French-English thousand years of conflict is a prime example of this. As part of the justification for war, there was always an ethnic racism that bolstered with both sides having ethnic slurs and racist beliefs about the other. So what you have, is multiple white ethnic groups all simultaneously thinking they are the best of the bunch. It’s called patriotism, but really that’s just a mask for a core belief that your ethnicity is somehow fundamentally superior.

I know that some thought is saying that racism only flows from “whites” to “nonwhites” but this is not true. This idea then requires that white on white racism is explained by saying “oh, but at the time white group x, was not considered to be white” which is absolute nonsense. This is often used to explain the English-Irish racism or Russian-Polish racism or Greek-Italian racism. Humans can actually look at another human with the same skin colour and think them subhuman, animals. Ethnicity cannot be reduced to skin colour alone. It is the sum of everything we are.

Were Jews in nazi Germany considered white at the time?

Yes they were considered to be white, but not Aryan, or Ubermensch (super people). It’s why your ethnicity as Jewish or Aryan was not defined by skin tone alone but by two tests:

1. the Mischling test or your ancestry- literally your family tree, if you had a Jewish grandparent you were considered to be Jewish or “Untermensch” (Sub-people, essentially Sub-human).
2. AND the Nazis also used biometrics to determine your ethnicity. They looked at hair colour, eye colour, skin tone, body type, shape of your nose, the size of your lips, the distance between your eyes, the shape of your skull, the height of your cheekbones. All this and more was then compared to their construct of the different white ethnicities and would determine if you were Aryan (Übermensch) or not. This was used to catch the Jews who tried to hide by converting to Christianity and lying about their ancestry. And if you weren’t lying, and thought you were not a Jew, the Nazis decided to kill you anyway because obviously a female ancestor had defiled herself with a Jew and that’s what you were. “From a leaflet 'The Nazi Race' in 1929 "The Aryan race is tall, long legged, slim. The race is narrow-faced, with a narrow forehead, a narrow high-built nose and a lower jaw and prominent chin the skin is rosy bright and the blood shines through ..... the hair is smooth, straight or wavy - possibly curly in childhood. The colour is blond."

Note: Hitler stole the term “Aryan” for his Ubermensch race because there is a real ethnic group called Aryans and they’re an Indo ethnic group that originated in Central Asia (today’s Iran) but thousands of years ago migrated over the Himalayas and settled in the Indus Valley in India. The true Aryans invented Sanskrit and are the ancestors of modern day Indians.

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