You're white you haven't experienced racism 4

[PatricksRum]

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The OP said because not everyone, including herself, could identify them by features they had white privilege. The OP cannot, through her own ignorance, unilaterally decide an ethnic group has white privilege, when they clearly don't.
Nonsense. Why can I not hold that opinion?
Especially when no one can provide a countering argument.
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Is posters repeatedly ask the OP the same question they are accused of haranguing her. This happened on the previous thread.*
Because I said I don't want to discuss it.

In some instances the OP has refused to answer questions. Why is that ok for her but not for others? It works both ways.
Because you are the ones who keep bringing travellers up. You cannot have it both ways.

To suggest that Travellers can just forget about our culture, to just stop being Traveller is disgusting. We have faced ethnic cleansing! Can you not see how wrong it is to suggest that? I'm really bloody upset that anyone could think that.
No one said that.
What was said is you could change things about your appearance, such as clothing, which could identify you and you would no longer be identified.
A black person changes their appearance, clothing, accent, voice, hair and we are still identified.

If I'm understanding this correctly, could it be said that Irish Travellers have white privilege from a Black person's point of view but not from a White Irish person's point of view? The reason they're not seen to have white privilege from a White Irish person's pov is simply white privilege itself. Meaning, they're seen as "second hand white people" by white people?
Very valid point

@PatricksRum I don't want to take your moment away from you. You were actively involved in the discussion. You could have chosen to move on when 1st told the question wasn't appropriate and wouldn't be answered. You had the power to do that. Nobody forced you to continually ask - you did it, imo, because you couldn't understand something and wanted to. Don't rewrite what happened to suit your narrative. Don't make yourself out to be a victim and us your suppressors. That's not what happened. The timeline shows how involved you were, to the extent you asked Earrings to pm you with the information and you found a link on Google.

I didn't see the 1st 2 threads so am unaware of their content. Why did you bring the conversation onto this thread? You could have left it on the 3rd thread and it might have ended there - I'm not saying it definitely would have as I can't speak for other posters.

I object to your inference that I, among others, forced you to be quiet. You asked the same question at least 6 times and have not yet acknowledged it was inappropriate. You have ignored a post from Wiz detailing how your denial of her racial suffering has affected her. Why?

You bring colour into this argument constantly when it's not the issue. If you had been white or AME I still would have refused to answer your question as it would still have been inappropriate.

I personally think you are acting in a manner to the detriment of BLM. Rather than getting people to stand with you, you alienate them by gaslighting them to make yourself look good. It's off putting and, imo, destroys the point you are trying to make.

I will continue to fight against racism myself but I cannot support you personally. It's a shame as you had a great platform but you choose to abuse it rather than use it. Your preogative but I think this matter is too serious for game playing. I am yet another person who is leaving this thread due to your unacceptable, bullying behaviour. If you reply to this I will not read it as I am now disengaging so please don't expect a reply.

They're white people who don't want me to be heard.

Rubbish, OP I was really really on your side but that takes the biscuit. No one has said you are not allowed to be heard/have a voice. People have raised questions and concerns which you get defensive over and bite peoples heads off.

It seems like the opposite it's you who doesn't want people to be heard.

Fuck me.

(I've come back but that's my only contribution at the moment! I'm useful aren't I )

If ever a post showed why these threads are so useful, it's that last one (malbec)

Anyway your problems are solved Patrick we can eradicate racism
by "stopping discussing it so much"

(I'm a bit worried that post was ironic and I'm missing it now...)

I don't want to take your moment away from you.
Maybe you don't but I guarantee the repeated posters do.

You were actively involved in the discussion. You could have chosen to move on when 1st told the question wasn't appropriate and wouldn't be answered.
No. For 4 threads now I chose to move on but I wasn't allowed to. Read what qwery said and she doesn't even agree with my stance on it but it's plainly obvious that these posters won't allow me to just ignore it.
Not only that, by ignoring it I've been called a racist and told I'm minimising it all because I just want to discuss black lives.

You had the power to do that. Nobody forced you to continually ask - you did it, imo, because you couldn't understand something and wanted to.
I can't change my viewpoint nor understand it because not one person has put forward an explanation of how travellers are identified on appearance alone.

Don't rewrite what happened to suit your narrative. Don't make yourself out to be a victim and us your suppressors. That's not what happened. The timeline shows how involved you were, to the extent you asked Earrings to pm you with the information and you found a link on Google.
No, the link was provided to me.
You are and were suppressing my voice. You just couldn't allow me to not discuss it.

I didn't see the 1st 2 threads so am unaware of their content. Why did you bring the conversation onto this thread? You could have left it on the 3rd thread and it might have ended there - I'm not saying it definitely would have as I can't speak for other posters.*
Well maybe you should read them. You can't understand my points without awareness of the history.*

I object to your inference that I, among others, forced you to be quiet. You asked the same question at least 6 times and have not yet acknowledged it was inappropriate. You have ignored a post from Wiz detailing how your denial of her racial suffering has affected her. Why?*
I was told to stop but without being allowed to hold a different opinion.
I haven't ignored it. I responded to it.
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You bring colour into this argument constantly when it's not the issue. If you had been white or AME I still would have refused to answer your question as it would still have been inappropriate.*
This is about black lives. I am black. I will being my race into it.
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I personally think you are acting in a manner to the detriment of BLM.*
That's not your authority to say. It's my own movement.

Rather than getting people to stand with you, you alienate them by gaslighting them to make yourself look good. It's off putting and, imo, destroys the point you are trying to make.
I'm not trying to look good. I'm trying to discuss black lives.
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I will continue to fight against racism myself but I cannot support you personally.*
I haven't asked you to

It's a shame as you had a great platform but you choose to abuse it rather than use it.
I've used it well. Pp's post illustrates that. It's thought provoking.

Your preogative but I think this matter is too serious for game playing. I am yet another person who is leaving this thread due to your unacceptable, bullying behaviour. If you reply to this I will not read it as I am now disengaging so please don't expect a reply.
Bye.

I think we need to stop discussing race half as much and I don't think it would be such a big deal.
Lol what? Race is a big deal. That's why we're still being killed in 2020. Because we're black. Because we're oppressed. Because of our race.*

Stop with the I'm a black/Asian ) purple woman malarky. You are just a woman. I never think oh I'm off to see Sebastien my Spanish friend tonight and tomorrow I think I will see Josie my black friend. *
No I am not just a woman. I am a black woman. How can you tell me I'm just a woman?
Unbelievable.
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Perhaps there is more stop and search orfewer ethnic minorities in Russel group universities but it's not necessarily rasicm.*
😂😂😂😂😂😂 no, I can't take this seriously.

Perhaps statistically more black people commit the crimes that stop and search was introduced for?
Look into the reasons for this. It's because of racism.

Perhaps middle class parents are more likely to focus on their child's education so more of them go to university - that's not discriminating against the working class. It's a fact. Perhaps there are other reasons few minorities go to uni?
The only reason is because they are black.
There aren't more poorer white people than black people in the UK.
Being poor isn't exclusive to white people.
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I don't understand racism.*
Clearly

I don't understand how anyone can generalise and discriminate and I dislike those that do. It's extremely uneducated.
Funny that.
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I also dislike people bringing everything back to their race. It highlights a divide that doesn't need to exist.*

Divide was created when white people enslaved us.

Can't we all just think of ourselves as people?
Yes. When white people stop killing us

@MyEyesightIsBadLetsGoForADrive I can't believe we're 4 threads in and yoh still have posters claiming racism doesn't exist. And money is why black people aren't accepted into universities.

Rubbish, OP I was really really on your side but that takes the biscuit. No one has said you are not allowed to be heard/have a voice.
They haven't said it but by repeatedly bringing it up without allowing me to ignore it they have demonstrated that.

People have raised questions and concerns which you get defensive over and bite peoples heads off.
I'm not defensive. It's the white people who can't accept they are privileged that are defensive.*

It seems like the opposite it's you who doesn't want people to be heard.*
I wouldn't have started a thread if this were true.

I don't understand why everything has to be an argument. It will not get anyone anywhere.

Why are we still talking about the Travellers community? Why can't white people accept that you cannot identity a traveller by the colour of their skin? Like I said before the only reason a traveller is protected is because they are travellers it has nothing to do with their skin. So let's move on and talk about the whole point of the thread the BLM.

The first thing white people can do is accept they are privileged , when I first heard of the term white privileged I laughed and said "I'm not privileged, I'm poor like everyone else in my community" but that's what I was wrong about , it's not about money, it's a separate matter, it's about me being born white and that's it. It's about Black people being born black and being treated differently just because of that.
That's wrong and everyone knows it.

@iwilltaketwoplease Thanks for your post. That is my only point. I'm not minimising the abuse travellers receive.
I'm just saying in that circumstance, they are privileged because they aren't as easily identifiable as black people due to their skin tone.
In the same breath, this would never happen, but if for some reason there was an exercise to identify the owner based on their home, a traveller would be way more identifiable than a black person living in the UK.

I still think the title is a bit wrong, if it was "you're white, you've never experienced racism because of your skin colour" I would be totally on board. But it's your thread so I have no right to tell you what it should be called.

BLM is the most important message right now in response to a horrific incident.

What can individual people do? I can't change history, I can't change admission policies for universities, law enforcement etc etc, I'm a person without power, as in I'm not a politician, business leader etc.
I already treat individuals I meet equally, I'm not black but I do see your injustice.

OP, when you say when white people stop killing us, are you referring the police in the USA, or an incident in the UK? I haven't read all of the threads, so apologies if you've already clarified this.

I still think the title is a bit wrong, if it was "you're white, you've never experienced racism because of your skin colour" I would be totally on board. But it's your thread so I have no right to tell you what it should be called.
That's fair.
But it's not as short as my title. It need to be short and sweet but I do agree with that statement. May not have been as powerful though.

BLM is the most important message right now in response to a horrific incident.
Yes!*

What can individual people do? I can't change history, I can't change admission policies for universities, law enforcement etc etc, I'm a person without power, as in I'm not a politician, business leader etc.*
This has been covered, especially in the beginning of this thread.
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I already treat individuals I meet equally, I'm not black but I do see your injustice.
Just not being racist isn't enough. You need to challenge racism

OP, when you say when white people stop killing us, are you referring the police in the USA, or an incident in the UK? I haven't read all of the threads, so apologies if you've already clarified this.
I'm referring to all racially-motivated murders of black people by white people.

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@PatricksRum

OP, when you say when white people stop killing us, are you referring the police in the USA, or an incident in the UK? I haven't read all of the threads, so apologies if you've already clarified this. I'm referring to all racially-motivated murders of black people by white people.

Would you say that all deaths of black people at the hands of white people were racially motivated, and vise versa?

Just not being racist isn't enough. You need to challenge racism
I do that too, I challenge all the racism I hear/see not just specific to black people.
I try to read to get facts to back up what I see, I try to see things from different perspectives and encourage others to do the same.
I've said before we're all the same flesh and blood. I would say I'm not "not racist" I'm "anti racism".

I want to ensure that my children aren't having this same conversation in 30 years.

*should say not JUST "not racist" ...."

Would you say that all deaths of black people at the hands of white people were racially motivated, and vise versa?
Nope.
And nope.

*I do that too, I challenge all the racism I hear/see not just specific to black people.
I try to read to get facts to back up what I see, I try to see things from different perspectives and encourage others to do the same.
I've said before we're all the same flesh and blood. I would say I'm not "not racist" I'm "anti racism".

I want to ensure that my children aren't having this same conversation in 30 years.*

That's great! That's what we need. This is where it begins.