You're white you haven't experienced racism 4

[PatricksRum]

Continued.

I concede that other Irish people can tell a Traveller apart from settled Irish people on sight and that they therefore do not have white privilege in that specific context.

A black person though is always easily identifiable by everyone as black so they never under any circumstances have white privilege. There is no need for a racist to establish what kind of black person they are in order to apply racist stereotypes. Racists could care less if the person is Nigerian or Jamaican. Which is why I think you are black if you self identify as such or if others perceive you as black.

So yes I still think black people have it worse because there is never any chance of them not being identified as black however much they might want to. Meghan Markle straightens her hair, has light skin and wears Western clothes but she is still easily identified by racists as black and targeted as such.

In Ireland, Travellers are instantly recognisable. It doesn't matter that their skin colour is white. They are immediately identifiable, even if dressed the exact same as everyone else. How can they have white privilege? Their skin colour is irrelevant as it doesn't mask the fact they are Travellers. It's not as if they have to speak to be identified as a Traveller.

Thank you for understanding, Woke.

Patrick's, you are wrong and refuse to accept it. I was wrong before and accepted it. We all moved on and I learnt from it. I will not engage with further discussion with you as you have refused to listen or learn. Goodnight all.

Other things that can be done:

Sun safe/sun screen policies for schools that take into account people with darker skin that need more sun exposure to bare skin to produce vitamin d rather than a policy that fits the majority white population of children.

Also education on vitamin d and health screening for children and adults. Although many white children and adults are vitamin d deficient too, people with the most melanin are most affected.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/news/uk-news/increase-rickets-linked-overuse-sunscreen-1507133%3famp

Vitamin d deficiency is linked to many health risks, rickets, increased risk of death from cardiovascular disease, cognitive impairment in older adults, severe asthma in children, cancer and now possibly linked to risks of more severe complications from Sars-CoV2. Research suggests that vitamin D could play a role in the prevention and treatment of a number of different conditions, including type1 and type 2 diabetes, hypertension, glucose intolerance, and multiple sclerosis.

[]www.google.com/amp/s/www.health.com/mind-body/vitamin-d-health-risks%3famp=true]]

Simple things that could make a vast improvement to the health of black people. Just a simple blood test, supplements if needed and awareness of the importance of sun exposure. Easily done, massive impact.

I can tell you OP that in Ireland, Travellers 'white skin' doesn't confer a privilege.

Yes, even up against a person of colour.

One putative reason for this that discrimination against Travellers is ingrained in Irish society (not everyone but the casual expression of discrimination against Travellers, as illustrated in an earlier post, is still present & awful). However, largely Ireland was homogeneous in terms of skin colour until 20 or so years ago, when immigration meant that finally Ireland became more diverse.

There absolutely is racism in Ireland & we are very much at the starting point in terms of how to ensure equality for all communities.

But because we were at least a bit more aware of discrimination by the time Ireland became more diverse, in terms of colour, in your made-up line-up, a Traveller could very much be chosen & discriminated against over a person of colour.

I've said several times about Travellers poor outcomes still in terms of suicide rates for men, employment, life expectancy - these are all far below black people living in Ireland (please note: Ireland)

Please OP. Stop.

You are wrong about white privilege, in this context. I'm feeling quite upset, and I'm not a Traveller so I can't imagine what it would be like if I was.

I concede that other Irish people can tell a Traveller apart from settled Irish people on sight and that they therefore do not have white privilege in that specific context.
I can totally respect that.
I can understand that some can identify them on appearance alone where as I, and others can't.
The important thing is, some
Every single person can identify a black person in a line up of white people unless you have sight loss

A black person though is always easily identifiable by everyone as black so they never under any circumstances have white privilege. There is no need for a racist to establish what kind of black person they are in order to apply racist stereotypes. Racists could care less if the person is Nigerian or Jamaican. Which is why I think you are black if you self identify as such or if others perceive you as black.

So yes I still think black people have it worse because there is never any chance of them not being identified as black however much they might want to. Meghan Markle straightens her hair, has light skin and wears Western clothes but she is still easily identified by racists as black and targeted as such.

Just to add it is abhorrent that travellers are subject to such abuse.
It's disgusting. Horrible.

I am a total night owl but even I am
tired now so checking out.
Will be at work tomorrow too so not likely to be posting

Thanks all for a thought provoking discussion
Goodnight

In Ireland, Travellers are instantly recognisable. It doesn't matter that their skin colour is white. They are immediately identifiable, even if dressed the exact same as everyone else. How can they have white privilege? Their skin colour is irrelevant as it doesn't mask the fact they are Travellers. It's not as if they have to speak to be identified as a Traveller.
Because no one has explained how I have difficulty in understanding but I accept some people can identify them on appearance alone. Clearly, a few posters have said this.
Another poster, a teacher in Ireland, said she couldn't tell which of her students were travellers or not.

Okay I remain that they have white privilege.
You differ

I don't fucking differ.

I have provided you with evidence as someone living in Ireland who is aware.

Just imagine if someone kept telling YOU you were incorrect about something you know about & have tirelessly explained.

You've done this regarding AME, disabled people, Irish living in UK and on and on.

Your line used to be 'not on this thread'

But YOU keep bringing it up. We answer & explain & you still, say, no, I don't agree.

Vitamin D is a huge thing. Especially given the current climate!
I still have to explain to my lighter family members that my skin can't absorb it like theirs. They respond by telling me I don't go out enough.

Vitamin D is so important.

Healthy start vouchers are available but it would be good if free vitamin D drops were available without prescription to all darker skinned children.

@EarringsandLipstick
I understand that some people can identify a traveller by appearance alone. The fact that I cannot (amongst others), gives them a privilege over black people as black people can always be identified by appearance alone.

Every single person can identify a black person in a line up of white people unless you have sight loss

Please read my post about discrimination in Ireland which explains why white privilege does not apply to Irish Travellers.

It really really doesn't.

I abhor what you've done here.

I'm not a night owl usually, and I'm up at 6 for work. So like Woke, I will go now.

If I'd sense I'd hide this thread now ...

You've done this regarding AME, disabled people, Irish living in UK and on and on.
I'm disabled. I would talk about my struggles and how we can fix this on a thread about disabilities.

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Me too! (Not work though)
Sleep well. Thank you for your posts.

@EarringsandLipstick
Can you accept that if there's even just one person who can't identify a traveller on race alone then that one person has a privilege that black people don't?

I understand that some people can identify a traveller by appearance alone. The fact that I cannot (amongst others), gives them a privilege over black people as black people can always be identified by appearance alone.

Are you in Ireland? Identifying Irish Travellers?

No?

So believe me: they don't have white privilege.

*Are you in Ireland? Identifying Irish Travellers?

No?

So believe me: they don't have white privilege.*

I couldn't identify them in Ireland either.

Patricks, you talk about the racism you've experienced. I haven't repeatedly asked you questions on it or for clarification. In the context of racism against a black person, it's not something I have ever experienced or ever will. I don't need to experience it to empathise and be appalled. Likewise, you don't have to understand the difference between a Traveller and other Irish people to accept there is one. I have told you there's a difference, Earrings has told you there's a difference and Google has told you there's a difference.

It is irrelevant if you don't understand how we can identify Travellers. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's not true.

I couldn't identify them in Ireland either.

Because you don't live here. You don't understand the situation for Irish Travellers.

If you lived here or grew up here, if you got the situation about Irish Travellers, you'd know they don't have white privilege.

They really don't.

Can you stop it now? Please?

eyeshotstreetphotography.com/joseph-philippe-bevillard-irish-travellers/

This is a great piece.
I love the story behind it.
In the pictures I wouldn't be able to tell them apart from other Irish people.

It is irrelevant if you don't understand how we can identify Travellers. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's not true

^^This

Thanks @Chulainn

*Patricks, you talk about the racism you've experienced. I haven't repeatedly asked you questions on it or for clarification. In the context of racism against a black person, it's not something I have ever experienced or ever will. I don't need to experience it to empathise and be appalled. Likewise, you don't have to understand the difference between a Traveller and other Irish people to accept there is one. I have told you there's a difference, Earrings has told you there's a difference and Google has told you there's a difference.

It is irrelevant if you don't understand how we can identify Travellers. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's not true.*
I accept some people can identify travellers on appearance alone.
Those who cannot will easily be able to identify a black person on appearance alone. This is the privilege.

That doesn't mean travellers are not oppressed. They are. The abuse is disgusting. They are subject to repeat racial discrimination. It's not right.

Can you stop it now? Please?I maintain they have a privilege that black people don't.
You maintain they don't.
We won't alter our opinions this way.
We agree to disagree and leave it there.

In the pictures I wouldn't be able to tell them apart from other Irish people.

Well I would. Pretty much all Irish people would.

And unfortunately still, people object to living beside Travellers. See them as criminals, just be virtue of their ethnicity. Think they are work-shy and wanting to live on benefits.

The people who say this often would be all for equality in every other aspect of life.

Please please stop. You are being so offensive.