You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

OP did not say that Asian people don't experience racism

She acknowledged that they do
She said that their experience is in some ways different to that of black people
In particular the threat of police violence is not so acute for Asian people and that is the topic under discussion right now. That is what Black Lives Matter is primarily about.

Again why people are offended especially white people offended on behalf of Asian people who are not actually coming on the thread disagreeing with OP I also have no idea.

It's is willfull distraction, exactly that.

@AMemeByAnyOtherName

Your last two posts have been excellent in my opinion. The one about beauty stereotypes is something I haven't thought of recently (another example of my white privilege).

I feel angry for the way black people are treated, have been treated, and, most of all, how they will continue to be treated. I feel angry that there are few things I can do to fix it (educate myself, vote wisely, challenge racism every time I see it are the three things I know I can do). I know that this anger will not be equal to the anger felt by people with lived experience of this racism.

I do also feel angry about other issues and will continue to do so, but they aren't relevant to this discussion. I did not bring them into this discussion but have commented on them and therefore may have contributed to derailing the discussion. @MadgeMak I won't on the thread as it's not the purpose of this discussion.

Willful distraction.

Perfectly put.

Forgive me for my ignorance but I can't say I feel privileged to be white at all.

White privilege means your skin colour has not impacted on your ability to live your life or impacted on how you carry out every day tasks

I don’t think it’s because people are racist or wilfully missing the point.

I think at the moment millions of people from all communities have lost everything due to lockdown, jobs, education, physical and mental health. Many more know full well they are going to lose everything in the economic mess that follows. We’ve done this without question in a large part to protect the vulnerable in our society. It has been made very clear that it’s not only the old and sick, but also the people from BAME communities. Because we value their lives we stick to the rules and vilify the likes of Dominic Cummings and the irresponsible beach goers.

It’s a very bitter pill when you are looking at financial ruin and untreated medical issues in your loved ones. it’s certainly not a lack of empathy as you're suggesting.

@MadgeMak I have reported my own post as I think I over-read into something that was said. It was OP saying "this isn't about BAME, this is about Black issues" which is a long way from what I had remembered her saying. Thank you for calling me out on it. It was a mistake.

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee your posts are absolutely correct and you put it in a way I could never describe. Thankyou I see you. It doesn’t go unnoticed.

@qweryuiop - dating sites have time and time again shown black women are the least picked category, we are the least likely to marry.

We are the most likely to end up single parents. The list goes on.

Even when you look at the connotations of the colour black they are all negative.

The colour white - full of positivity.

Most things associated with black is negative, so there's no wonder a lot of people have negative thoughts when they consider a black person, then this transpires into people losing their life because of it.

It's heartbreaking to see as a black person.

But doesn't mean I lose hope. I LOVE being black and wouldn't change it for anything.

My struggles makes me who I am, enriches me and gives me strength and resilience.

You know, DS1 (almost 13) and I had a discussion this morning about white privilege. He wasn't defensive at all.

I showed him the clip from Grey's Anatomy. The one about "The Talk" and he was pretty moved by it.

One of the points he picked up involved my youngest DS who is autistic. We talked about how if he were ever in confronted by the police, in the same way, he wouldn't be able to follow the "script".

How would that play out if he were a black teenage boy?

That's part of my white privilege. I don't have the same worries as a black mother when I kiss my kids goodbye in the mornings (pre-pandemic, obviously).

I have worries of course but they are not the same and acknowledging this does not detract from them. It's just the bloody reality of things.

Thank you qweryuiop, your honesty and integrity is appreciated.

@queryuiop I sincerely, truly appreciate you acknowledging what I said, from the bottom of my heart. Thank you.

As a white woman, I cannot understand what it's like to be black, I acknowledge I have an advantage because of my skin colour.

I have experienced, prejudice, fear and discrimination and those instances were bad enough. I don't want to experience any more. No one should have to.

I'm so sorry this is still happening and I will stand side by side with you in the fight to put this right.

I am reading, learning and have donated towards helping.

White people supporting Black Lives Matter!

White folks who cite violence within BAME communities against one another, don't actually give a shit about those people, they're just trying to weaponise them. It's disingenuous bullshit that they pretend to care about to make a stupid argument to try and distract from the racism commited by white folks every day. It's very much like a five year old saying:

BUT MISS! THEY'RE DOING IT TOO WAAAAHH!

It's embarrassing.

I think you are racist OP and are trying to cause a divide. It's blatantly obvious you do not like white people. Enough of these threads already!!

During the troubles in Ireland I was the only student nurse who was English in a hospital dominated by the Irish and was definitely subject to racism. Similarly a few years ago I worked with predominantly Germans and was subject to racist comments. So although not to the same extent white people can be subject to racism.

I posted on your last thread patricks to say thank you for the threads and that you had added to my understanding - in fact the same posters who are coming back to argue and argue and derail and "me-rail" and berate and berate you are adding to my understanding. It's an (admittedly very small) insight into how tiring and upsetting it must be, not only to be subjected to racism but then to be told you're talking about it wrongly and you should only talk about it in the way they want you to.*

Thank you.
It would be interesting to see some viewpoints and discussion and experience from other posters buy it's the same people.
What about
What about

*Shame. On. You.

Really. This is so awful to read. Travellers should now be grateful they have 'white privilege' 😳 seriously, what's wrong with you??*

I didn't say they should be grateful but actually that is a good point.
A privilege is something to be grateful for.
I understand it's difficult to accept that you are better off than us. I understand it's difficult to admit you're in a place of privilege.

Yet seem to be ignoring their feelings and frustration.

Because, again, it isn't about ^them.
^

Would you care to explain why it is our time and our fight but it isn’t mine ? I’m there. You said we should have our moment - but that isn’t including me.
Our time is in reference to black people.

*I’m tired. Really tired. But I’m doing my damnedest not to be inflammatory or rude and yet still I got posts deleted when I wasnt. I merely countered.
And then I have to wonder why there is oppression and why people are silenced. It is because we aren’t permitted to communicate. Not fully.
*Sorry you think black people are oppressed because we can't communicate? You're correct we are silenced. But that isn't why we are oppressed.

*There is a well worn phrase of ‘United we stand, divided we fall’

It is our moment. Our time. But only together - really being together and standing side by side, acknowledging difference, sharing experiences, that we can rise and fly together.
*It is black people's time, no-one else. Stand with us. It's our time to talk. It's about our experiences. It's about us and I don't feel at all selfish in saying that.

I firmly believe that division and refusal to fully acknowledge pain experienced by others, be it black brown or white pain, will prevent us all being truly free.
I'm not refusing to accept pain.
There's two points I will respond to when discussing the pain of the privileged.

1. That is no where near the pain we face.
2. It isn't relevant. This is our time. This is about us. Not you. Not anyone else. Us. Here. Right now. Today. On this thread.

OP is embarrassing and unhelpful and unsupportive of the BLM movement.
As a white person, you have no right to tell me what I am doing to our movement.
Abrasive, blunt, dismissive, ignoring others' experiences, yes. But unsupportive of my movement, no.

BLM supporters and my black friends and colleagues have all been nothing but kind and supportive of people with questions or people who are behind them. You, OP, are decisive and lacking humility.
Ah, yes, all black people should feel the same.
Can I ask, did you respond to your colleagues by asking about Travellers?

Not once has someone told OP she's talking about racism wrongly.
Where have you been?
That's all I've been told
^Patricks you're definitions are wrong
Patricks you're grieving in the wrong way
Patricks your language isn't dealing with it correctly
Patricks you're embarrassing your movement
Patricks you're wrong for being angry^

I have read back and I think Coach mistook the OP for someone else when they told Patricks to fuck off. And then instead of an apology - blamed the OP for this and the "stupid way" they post ).

I wish I was surprised.
I've been told repeatedly on this thread that I have caused my oppression.
Black people are blamed for the way that we are treated by those above us

No body has mentioned black on black gang violence. Black people are mostly killed by black people. Why has no one mentioned this?
Read. Read. Read. Read. Read.
A) it has.
B) this has nothing to do with the thread.

@MyEyesightIsBadLetsGoForADrive
Thank you for your support, understanding and help. I really appreciate it.

@MarshaBradyo Thank you also for your kind words