You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

But obviously that's not the same as saying that your life has been better than every black person's life.

No body has mentioned black on black gang violence. Black people are mostly killed by black people. Why has no one mentioned this?

Whoever posted this disgusting post.

This is NOT a thread about gang violence, what the hell has that got to do with racism?

Has anyone noticed, there's always attempt distract from racism. This post is very clearly a racist person whom feels uncomfortable confronting the realities of it.

What an idiot.

But on MN today I’ve been told black people with an issue about British slave trade should be flown “home”

Absolutely vile.

@BlackBucketOfCheese there's no defense for that and whoever's said it should be banned. I do agree that addressing us is the place to start, but I don't think the average white person on the street can do much other than stand side by side and make enough noise to be heard.

The racism is the worst at the top, with the people who hold all the power. How to you get to that level to even make a dent in it? But saying that, contempt for the deprived in general is there too.

You didn't say those things, but they have been said more than once on these threads along with 'you whites' as if we are all the same person and you must see that that wouldn't fly the other way round. I dunno, I just think this could have been so much more than it's turned out and im sad about that.

Watched Black Panther with the DC
Interesting movie
By having a (nearly) all black cast they sort of take race out of it and ask a q very relevant to these times

Do privileged people (in this case black people in Wakanda) have a responsibility to help others (black people in the outside world) or is it OK to keep it all to yourself?

If you do that then you risk oppressed, disenfranchised people rising up in violence and taking the resources by force. Can they really be blamed if they do?

The conclusion in the end is that the way of violence is rejected but succeeds in making Wakanda reach out and help the world.

Well that's how I read it anyway.

Had an interesting discussion about the resistance of Martin Luther King vs that of Malcolm X and the black panthers. Can people who are oppressed always be expected to be polite and reasonable?
Is a more aggressive stance sometimes the only way to force change?

I thought of the OP.

Martin Luther King and Gandhi were the media friendly faces of their movements but apart from amass international support and bringing people together. Malcom X and RC Bose were the ones who risked everything to actually fight for freedom / rights - they are the ones who made sure the above movements succeeded. If everyone had been meek and polite neither movement would have succeeded.

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

Watched Black Panther with the DC Interesting movie By having a (nearly) all black cast they sort of take race out of it and ask a q very relevant to these times

Do privileged people (in this case black people in Wakanda) have a responsibility to help others (black people in the outside world) or is it OK to keep it all to yourself?

If you do that then you risk oppressed, disenfranchised people rising up in violence and taking the resources by force. Can they really be blamed if they do?

The conclusion in the end is that the way of violence is rejected but succeeds in making Wakanda reach out and help the world.

Well that's how I read it anyway.

Had an interesting discussion about the resistance of Martin Luther King vs that of Malcolm X and the black panthers. Can people who are oppressed always be expected to be polite and reasonable?
Is a more aggressive stance sometimes the only way to force change?

I thought of the OP.

The problem is though where does that end?

One group feels justified in using violence to force change, then another group responds with violence, and on and on it goes.

I can't believe this thread is still going on. The OP throwing insults at people being vile to people who ask her genuine questions.
I read it from the beginning when the thread was new and it has just gone round and round: someone asks questions, OP tells them it's not her responsibly to educate them, someone has another view, OP responds with; you need to shut up and listen.
Three whole threads of this. It has done nothing but divide people.
Good work OP!

I've been reading these threads over the last couple of days. I have spent the last few days reading the content from black lives matter and I have found it informative and eye opening. However, OP you have said again and again that it is not a black persons job to educate a white person, however by this stance it would mean that everything that I have read, watched and listened too I should not have done.
We need black people to speak out, we need them to explain their experiences as my white privilege means I haven't been exposed to the things that I have learnt about. If black people hadn't taken the time and effort to explain over the last few days I wouldn't have been able to educate myself. If every black person adopted the attitude of its not my job then people will never be able to understand especially if they grew up in the 'bubble' that keeps being mentioned.
I for one are appalled by what I've read etc, I am appalled by what has happened and I stand with you OP but I did need to be educated and I am grateful to the black people who have taken the time to educate and create resources.
I have grown up sheltered and I am the first to admit that I do need to be educated otherwise I just wouldn't know.
I hope this makes sense...

There are forms of racism against every race, and every sector of that race. You can’t and mustn’t ignore it or it stokes division. However, at the moment, we’re focusing on black lives matter, as we should.

Patricksrum - after reading your threads I am watching the 13th documentary and I feel the need to come on and tell you I am so sorry, for what people of my colour have done to black people over the years. I'm not from america so didn't know much of the history, other than getting the gist form the news. Its horrifying and terrifying how people have been treated. I cant imagine the anger you feel and I will do my utmost to make sure my children grow up knowing what is right and wrong and to stand up for equality. I hope the protests bring about real change and education. Dont really know what else to say without sounding stupid etc but thank you for enabling education on this. Were here to listen, thank you.

Now I'm watching Spike Lees BlackKlansman

I’m sorry but that simply isn’t true.

it didn’t post the quote I was replying to. I give up.

@PatricksRum you deserve a bloody medal for coping with all the whitesplaining and white fragility on the threads. I'm a white non-binary person and I think my eyes might have rolled around the room several times already.

I have lived in the USA, the Caribbean, and New Zealand and spent time in the Middle East. I have blonde hair and blue eyes and have experienced racial discrimination everywhere.
Thankfully nothing serious but have even been picked up by police in Chicago because I was white in a "black" area.
The idea that just because you're pale skinned you don't experience racism is nonsense.

There definitely is an expectation of politeness which - given the circumstances - is absurd.

People yell "Stop killing us" and everyone focuses on the fact that they didn't say please.

OP, like many people, is angry and rightfully so. Whataboutry doesn't help anything.

Just to add as an Irish woman whose family has been subject to awful sectarianism and prejudice before, during, and after the troubles, I absolutely hate it when we are thrown in these discussions.

We can have our own conversations about injustice, separately. This is about racism. It's different. That doesn't take away from any suffering that has happened to Irish people.

I haven’t read all the threads on here all on the same subject, BLM, white privilege, slavery etc etc. Not enough hours in the day. What is very clear though is the amount of barely concealed hatred towards white people. Why are people being sneered at and made to apologise for their “white privelege”? They don’t go looking for it. If it exists, then it is as a direct result of the fact that historically this was a country almost entirely populated by white people, who still make up the majority of the population. In historically black countries where the majority of people are black then presumably they have black privilege and the white people of that country feel hard done by? Do they riot in the streets? No. Do they expect the black people to self flagellate for their “black priveledge”? No. Having travelled in traditionally black countries I have experienced racism towards me as a white person. Racism is racism is racism. It is treating someone differently because of their race. End of.
I am not advocating that black people should have to put up with racism in this country. They absolutely should not. No one should. But people are too quick to level the racist accusation in my opinion. Why are black youths in London more likely to be subjected to stop and search? Is it because of their skin colour? Or is it because statistics show that black youths are more likely to be involved in stab incidents? How helpful would it be in eradicating gang culture if the police concentrated on stopping and searching elderly people? Not a bit. We hear about white privilege but what about the job applications where it states that preference will be given to ethnic minority applicants?
As a country we are considered to be relatively tolerant to outsiders. As in all countries, racism does exist but it comes from all colours and this level of shouting down white people from BAME to anyone saying otherwise is a prime example of it. Stop looking for reasons to hate.

even though some posters appeared to not understand that a Jewish person can be white(!)

Unfortunately, people of all ethnicities are likely to engage in anti-Semitism, even if only through unthinking representation of anti-Jewish tropes.

It's never the time to confront anti-Semitism. Makes me despair. Many white people protesting today were firmly in favor of an anti-Semitic candidate for PM.

I'm only up to page 9, so apologies if this has already been covered, but at 4.28 pm PatricksRum you posted a picture of a clown with red curly hair and a big red nose, they are also generally known to wear badly fitted, oddly coloured clothes and shoes that are the wrong size. They are clumsy and foolish. This type of clown has it's origins as a massive piss take of the homeless Irish in New York after their oppression forced them to flee their home country and emigrate to America. I'm Irish, I don't much care for clowns.

Why are people being sneered at and made to apologise for their “white privelege”? They don’t go looking for it.

It’s an Ideological attempt to assign collective guilt to one racial group. Historically this doesn’t end well.

This type of clown has it's origins as a massive piss take of the homeless Irish in New York after their oppression forced them to flee their home country and emigrate to America.

That is absolutely not true.

@MarieInternette there’s no such thing as ‘black privilege.’

No one is asking white people to apologise for our white privilege. But as people born into that privilege we have the power, together, to end racism towards black people.

Agree with pp. White people can’t help that we were born white. It feels like the hatred is intrinsic in you and applies to all white people, not just those who demonstrate reprehensible, racism behaviour. Why should we self flagellate for something we ourselves did not do. I have done much work over the years within my organisation to assist in the development of and opportunities For BAME in to senior roles. I think the history of oppression of any race is horrific and not to be tolerated but I will not be yelled at like a naughty child.

Why can’t we just work hand in hand to end this? Side by side.