Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/07/it-feels-endless-four-women-struggling-to-recover-from-covid-19-coronavirus-symptoms

It’s not just a bad cold and could take the healthcare workers you rely on out of action and lead to more delays is one justification.

Wishing you lots of luck . It must be so hard for you.

I don't understand why you say it isn't possible to get it treated privately. It seems perfectly possible.

www.hcahealthcare.co.uk/our-services/treatments/pavlik-harness-treatment

It’s not just a bad cold and could take the healthcare workers you rely on out of action and lead to more delays is one justification.

Let’s break this down.

At present the OP’s baby would need to see one orthopaedic doctor for about 30 minutes. The harness could be put on anywhere in the hospital. It could be put on in the car park on a change mat.

In contrast, if the baby doesn’t get a harness now (as in right now!) it’ll need an open hip operation in a few months. There will still be covid in a few months in the U.K.

Instead of just one doctor there will be all the theatre staff including nurses, theatre techs, anaesthetic team, orthopaedic team and then an inpatient stay post op.

In the first scenario if the OP or her baby had asymptomatic covid there would be a potential risk of transmitting to one doctor. In the second there’s more like 50 NHS staff the baby will be in contact with. There’s also a much higher risk of transmission given the baby will be be having a GA and there will be close anaesthetic contact with oral secretions.

I’m not saying OPs baby shouldn’t receive treatment. I’m suggesting she should chase it up with them because services are still being provided increasingly so.

I’m also saying that lockdown isn’t JUST about decreasing R rate or personal risk. There are much wider risks. Lots to balance all round. I’m also challenging the idea that this is ‘just a cold’. It isn’t. Fact.

AND the OP had a child with a serious condition that requires treatment. It’s both/and not either/or. Lots of NHS services are running and everything is being done to expand this - constantly.

I’m also pointing out that no one wants lockdown or it’s horrible effects. Also, no one wants covid and it’s horrible effects. It’s pretty shit either way which is why it can’t be all or nothing and has to be gradual and reviewed.

Sorry. What I mean is that I agree OP’s baby needs treatment and that it might be possible if she chases it.

But regardless of her personal situation, more generally, lockdown is a necessary evil.

Also this company do a private scans, only £210 which seems reasonable as it includes the harness and 6 weeks of treatment

www.thisismy.co.uk/newborn-baby-hip-screening-clinic/

@CherryPavlova

LongTallSammie I think lots of people are concerned that your attitude borders on genocide. You seem not to worry about the at risk groups, and want to keep them hidden and let them die. Very sad. A few weeks of restrictions are too much to save thousands of lives?

Firstly you can't demonstrate that 'a few weeks of restrictions' would save thousands of lives and secondly, yes, it is too much.

There are 66 million people in this country and they have submitted to what, something just over ten weeks of lockdown at this point, and that is quite enough. I think sensible people are growing a bit bolder in the face of the hysterical accusations of genocide (as above) eugenics/selfish and so on and they'll continue to press on with normality.

If we don’t get back to work and school soon, I can see our whole social structure breaking down, millions of people out of work, the estimate is 10% of the population out of work by Christmas, that’s just under 7 million people. We haven’t had any new cases where I live for over 2 weeks, no deaths for 10 days, there are testing centres everywhere, why can’t we get things moving before our whole way of life calapses

The priority HAS TO BE the NHS first and then schools. Without both, we'll never be able to get back on the road to normality. It's a national disgrace that large parts of the NHS are still not open or barely functioning.

So we all have to be at risk of dying from Covid? What those who want the lockdown to be over fail to realise is, is that this virus is unpredictable and so very contagious. Perhaps you should consider whether it is better for your child to have surgery or Covid. And if you are prepared to risk covid, then you are prepared to put your child, your friends, family and those you come into contact with, at risk

There has to be a balance between protecting the NHS but learning to live with the virus and get people back to work and school. The furlough scheme is being phased out and if employees don’t return to work they will be made redundant or remain unpaid. People can’t get back into work until the schools are fully open again.

The quicker restrictions are lifted, the longer this will rumble on.

It's a balancing act. Lift some, wait and see the effects, lift some more if safe and so on. Rushing into doing too much too soon, will surely undo all the hard sacrifices and good work that has been achieved so far. Then we'll be back to square one.

It just seems to me people are thinking that this virus has gone away and we'll keep the figures as they are now, no matter what goes on in the future. They fail to realise that deaths will keep growing exponentially if R is above 1. But given many still don't understand exponential, that's hardly surprising.

I think the government have failed in their attempt to teach this maths concept. Spell it out with more of their pretty visuals. Or more social media memes.

@Generalblah what a horrible thing to say when someone is worried about the health of their baby 😢 Society is becoming broken down, nobody seems to care about anyone anymore, it’s ok to protest and riot and spread the virus but not ok to want your child to receive medical treatment.

@Jeremyironsnothing that’s fine if people are staying at home but there not, there spreading it anyway, the R number will go up, then we are in continuous limbo and never getting back to normal

People can’t get back into work until the schools are fully open again.

Not everybody has primary school age children and even among those that do many are managing to work at home. Regardless, even if people do go back to work, for jobs that depend on customers there may not be enough for the business to make a profit if people feel that it is too risky to be a customer e.g. I don't think that pubs or restaurants will be that busy for the foreseeable future even if they are open. Things have to be balanced carefully as a high rate of infection is not good for the NHS or the economy.

I'm with you OP 100%

Totally agree with OP - we need to accept a higher mortality rate over time rather than adversely reconfigure the whole of our society.

From today’s FT - Ministers have identified June 22 as the date when they hope to reopen England’s pubs and restaurants serving customers outdoors, amid fears of mass job losses if the hospitality sector misses out on the lucrative summer season.

Perhaps you should consider whether it is better for your child to have surgery or Covid. And if you are prepared to risk covid, then you are prepared to put your child, your friends, family and those you come into contact with, at risk

This is so unbelievably stupid it defies belief. Getting this baby’s hips sorted with a harness is extremely low risk for all involved. Delaying getting this baby’s hips sorted with a harness and leading to surgery later in the year is hugely more risky. It’s not a choice between surgery and Covid FFS. It’s a choice between a harness and surgery with the risk of Covid low for the baby herself regardless, and a balance of risk to onE doctor sorting it now, or a whole team of doctors, nurses and theatre staff sorting it later in the year.

I agree. Wait a while to fully open schools, and open pubs and restaurants, the travel industry etc, till after we see the effects of the current relaxed guidelines.
If everything is opened up at once and we do get a huge spike in cases, people will not go to those holidays pubs and restaurants anyway.
Yes some businesses will be pushed under in those intervening weeks but if we get a huge second wave, then even more will go under as public confidence goes down again.
It is a fine balancing act. Lift some restrictions. Wait and see effects. Open more if it's safe to do so.

But the idiots thinking and behaving as if this is all over now, will likely scupper the businesses long term anyway, and kill thousands as a side effect.

What about the protesting won’t that put the number of infections up? The longer people are not at work and school, there will be more protests, as people loose their jobs and have no money, the protests will get larger, one spiralling vicious circle

Perhaps you should consider whether it is better for your child to have surgery or Covid.

What a dumb thing to say, if the baby catches covid it will in all likelihood be absolutely fine, whereas without a harness it will need surgery (costing a lot more NHS money, time and staff) and be at more risk of pain, arthritis and disability throughout its life. Of course it should be sorted out now!

Perhaps you should consider whether it is better for your child to have surgery or Covid. And if you are prepared to risk covid, then you are prepared to put your child, your friends, family and those you come into contact with, at risk

This must be a troll post.

Firstly, treatment now would be with with one staff member fitting a harness. Surgery only happens if the harness isn’t put on in time and/or isn’t effective.

If no treatment then the baby will have lifelong hip problems.

Your post should really read, “Perhaps you should consider whether it is better for your child to walk or Covid”.

Cos, you know, walking isn’t important.

@NotBadConsidering

Perhaps you should consider whether it is better for your child to have surgery or Covid. And if you are prepared to risk covid, then you are prepared to put your child, your friends, family and those you come into contact with, at risk

This is so unbelievably stupid it defies belief. Getting this baby’s hips sorted with a harness is extremely low risk for all involved. Delaying getting this baby’s hips sorted with a harness and leading to surgery later in the year is hugely more risky. It’s not a choice between surgery and Covid FFS. It’s a choice between a harness and surgery with the risk of Covid low for the baby herself regardless, and a balance of risk to onE doctor sorting it now, or a whole team of doctors, nurses and theatre staff sorting it later in the year.

This is a perfect example of the kind of logic deployed by those who claim the moral high ground - the lockdown enthusiasts. This is what we're up against.

We urgently need some political leadership ASAP, but this won't happen outside of a backbench rebellion which seems a remote possibility.