Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

Except for all the departments which either remain effectively closed or which are doing VERY limited treatments/consultations etc. We're a hell of a long way from the NHS being "open" as normal.

But that is nothing to do with lockdown. It is/was to do with the NHS being reorganised to cope for a predicted huge surge in cases. It isn't back to normal yet but clinics are reopening and that will continue if there isn't a hugh rise in cases again.

I don't want to see unnecessary deaths in any age group

It will happen in even greater numbers because of the lockdown.

With the virus deaths will happen from a multitude of causes

It is possible to minimise the virus and so minimise the deaths from all causes

Look at how much better Germany has fared, or many of the Nordic countries , able to have low death rates and a relatively shorter duration of restrictions....

The nhs in many areas has spare capacity. Staff are going back to their original areas. Wards are returning to their normal purpose. And yet for some reason we don’t have

Lockdown to allow the nhs to build up its capacity and prevent overwhelm was a good idea. There was lockdown and the The nhs then built up capacity In a really great way. The peak is passed and the nhs is now dismantling that capacity.

Yes all logic says that the nhs being not overwhelmed should have protected non COVID services but that demonstrably hasn’t happened. Non COVID services have disappeared and not always because the staff and areas are being used for other stuff. I work in the health service and I can’t tell you why we have stopped some stuff...logic dosent seem to be part of it.

In my area of work we haven’t seen many COVID deaths but we have seen non COVID deaths due to cancelled services and fear of COVID. Lots of people getting sub standard care....and for what? The local hospital has closed its emergency COVID wards, stopped the COVID admissions unit, and returned staff to their original wards but patients still can’t get their non COVID healthcare.

Those that think Lockdown has to continue so the nhs gets back to normal.....So when does lockdown end? Is it:
1.Nhs closing COVID services (were there now)
2.track and trace running (it’s running already and of you think about it it won’t be running properly till lockdown ends because due to lockdown no one should be going within 2m of Someone they don’t know without ppe so of course there isn’t much for the contact tracers to do - my dh has symptoms two weeks ago, so the three of us isolated. He then tested positive. The only contacts in the last 48hrs were dd and I because we’ve been isolating, i then get symptoms and test positive but I’ve been isolating so only DH and dd are contacts - contact tracers should be bored in a lockdown, it will only be tested when lockdown is eaised)

1. A vaccine - it’s going to be ages because it can’t be properly tested during lockdown and it may never happen
2. R under 1 - it is. It may not get lower - what would you do to get it lower since we already in lockdown?
3. A treatment - well we’re here for ever then.

Those that are sheilding and need education - it cannot be beyond our capabikities to connect shielding teachers and lectures with shielding students? Clearly not as good as in person but it cannot be an argument that we should screw the education of all children and young people because some of their number won’t be able to return to education....I mean we don’t stop all the kids in a class going to school normally when one of them gets cancer and has to have a year off do we...that wouldn’t normally be considered a reasonable sacrifice.

Yes all logic says that the nhs being not overwhelmed should have protected non COVID services but that demonstrably hasn’t happened. Non COVID services have disappeared and not always because the staff and areas are being used for other stuff. I work in the health service and I can’t tell you why we have stopped some stuff...logic dosent seem to be part of it.

It has because the number of cases reduced which means that they can open up for non urgent cases. They were never not open for urgent non COVID cases btw. Only non-urgent appointments were cancelled.

Well lets lift lockdown, party hard, go to school, shop and protest all we want en masse and wait for the r rate to increase. Open up all NHS services as usual, then wait for all those Covid free people to go to hospital for their treatments and come out (if they are lucky) with life long conditions that will hinder their future.

Or lets wait a bit longer and lift lockdown slowly and protect the elderly and those who need hospital treatment so that they are treated safely.

They were never not open for urgent non COVID cases btw. Only non-urgent appointments were cancelled.

Complete bollocks. My OH has his urgent cancer treatment stopped mid way through. It's still not re-started, in fact he's only just got a blood test appointment for mid JULY and the consultant says she "hopes" to restart treatment in August. His treatment was urgent back in March. The oncology dept shut down and is only just reopening. So please stop talking bollocks.

There were 4 new cases in my county yesterday. One of the worst hit in the UK.

What the fuck are we still in lockdown for?

This lockdown should never have been implemented in my opinion.

I’m no expert. But the reason this country has been so badly affected is because it is full.

70 million people, (that we know of), on a relatively small island.

This virus is just nature's way of thinning things out a little.

I don’t wish anyone harm or death, but what will be will be.

They were never not open for urgent non COVID cases btw. Only non-urgent appointments were cancelled

Agree that this is complete and utter bollocks.

I was "urgently" referred for a problem which is so painful that I haven't slept for months. I might see someone in February 2021.

Lucky me.

I have not ruled out A&E, even though I am allegedly in the system.

Otherwise I will have to be treated for the original problem plus addictions to painkillers and alcohol, as the latter two things are the only way I can get through a day.

Fuck Covid and lockdown (I have lost my business, too, as a result of Lockdown. Lucky, lucky me).

Your bad cold comment is disgusting, you really need to have some compassion. The reason people have been able to be treated for covid is because the other treatments have been cancelled. I work in the nhs and believe me if we had carried on as normal and tried to treat covid patients the NHS would have collapsed. It is also to protect people, obviously there are covid cases in the hospital some of them who are asymptomatic and don't realise they have passed it on until they have had a test. They also wouldn't have been able to cope as a lot of NHS staff have had to shield so what is an already short staffed work place has struggled even more and these staff haven't shielded because they've wanted to but because they could have died from this "bad cold" as you called it. I understand you want your child to have their treatment but the nhs balances on a fine line and they had to make decisions to stop the whole system from buckling. I understand you are angry but do not dismiss this virus as a bad cold when young people with no underlying health conditions are dying and the NHS is fighting the best it can to save everyone and oh no one in the nhs is left without anything to do we have plenty to do

@PickACoolUserName

There were 4 new cases in my county yesterday. One of the worst hit in the UK.

What the fuck are we still in lockdown for?

Feck knows

People are selfish...they only think of their immediate needs....someone dying not being able to breath is a horrible vision whatever age...I have watched an eleven year old die from cystic fibrosis, was her life any less value of someone who has a broken leg? Until any one on here has ever worked in a hospital and watched first hand what goes on in different specialities they really have no idea. In 40 years of nursing I have seen it all, but now at this moment in time the selflessness of hospital staff and the response has been awesome. The me me me attitude of some people regarding the Ill, elderly, vulnerable and disabled as dispensible is shocking.

@MsSafina thank you for that link , did you read it ?

@Pisspotical - if the UK had implemented a proper lockdown, it might now have been under control. In my opinion, a proper lockdown should have been put in place earlier and policed properly.

I was "urgently" referred for a problem which is so painful that I haven't slept for months. I might see someone in February 2021.

Unfortunately they wouldn't necessarily see something as urgent because it was causing pain at the best of times.

Come now mrmumblechock it’s clearly bollocks that then nhs is open for urgent cases everywhere. That’s the whole point of the thread - DDH in a three month old is urgent, and serious. Every lecture I have had from an orthopaedic dr on this has hammered home if you think it’s ddh get them in double nappies, get them scanned and get them to us, and don’t bloody miss it because by the time the patents notice the kid can’t walk it’s too late. Trainee GPs round here get 16hrs of child health training - yup that’s it and 30mins was on the importance of urgent treatment of DDH.

Parents not patents

Come now mrmumblechock it’s clearly bollocks that then nhs is open for urgent cases everywhere. That’s the whole point of the thread - DDH in a three month old is urgent, and serious.

I can't comment on OP's case but I know many people who have had hospital appointments for urgent non-covid conditions. It's not true at all that they are only treating Covid patients.

Maybe where you are they are but there not where the op is and there not where I work. If it’s not going to kill you today (a and e), cancer (2ww) or covid it’s not open here, which is kind of the point. The nhs needs to be open everywhere

That’s the whole point of the thread - DDH in a three month old is urgent, and serious. Every lecture I have had from an orthopaedic dr on this has hammered home if you think it’s ddh get them in double nappies, get them scanned and get them to us, and don’t bloody miss it because by the time the patents notice the kid can’t walk it’s too late.

And time critical. The hip joint is still developing in a baby/infant. If in a harness promptly at 6 weeks the outcomes are awesome. If not treated till closer to 6 months surgery will be necessary instead and the outcomes aren’t as good.

Early treatment can be difference between normal mobility and a lifetime of hip problems.

If the only way the NHS could cope with Covid-19 was to stop everything else, and if this includes including a baby missing out on a simple treatment to prevent a life-long, entirely preventable disability then the NHS is fucked.

It's not true at all that they are only treating Covid patients. As I keep saying i'm about to have a lumpectomy

People go on about "omg you cant compare this to a bad cold..no one goes on a VENTILATOR with a bad cold"

Um. Yes they do. Tons of babies get RSV every winter (it's a common cold virus) and require ventilation. DD was ventilated for it for a week in November. She then required Cpap when she got an adenovirus (yep, another common cold virus...) in December. Some babies die due to these viruses.

Some categories of people are more vulnerable to certain viruses than others. Babies are prone to getting RSV severely.
Elderly and obese people are prone to getting coronavirus severely.

The fact that coronavirus can make some people very ill indeed does not mean it is very serious for everyone else.

This whole lockdown has been so ott.

I understand you want your child to have their treatment but the nhs balances on a fine line and they had to make decisions to stop the whole system from buckling.

Here we have a situation where if the OP’s baby had a harness right now for an unstable hip her baby’s hip will probably develop normally.

If she waits a few more months it’ll be too late for a harness and surgery will be needed and the outcomes won’t be as good.

The GP has done their job and picked up the unstable hip at 6 weeks which is the optimal time to get the harness on. None of this has happened because of COVID -19.

Is risking a baby having a preventable life long disability the right side of the “fine line”? All of these other posters saying the OP is selfish - would you be ok with your daughter having a limp, gait problems and life-long ruined hips because the NHS is so focused on covid-19?

I would be very interested to know how those who feel exactly as the OP does would react if we followed the Swedish model and had maybe double the deaths. It’s less harmful to the economy, kids education, ongoing healthcare etc etc but would probably kill more of your older relatives and possibly a few random younger ones too. I’m not being antagonistic, it’s a very genuine dilemma— you either take that risk or you don’t. Personally I feel that Sweden’s method probably has more long term sustainability , however you have to factor in that people are people and would undoubtedly then lay blame if figures were very high, especially if anyone they knew died. I think there is way more we could have done, locking down harder and earlier would have helped and in the last two months I would still have had compulsory masks in public- heath and care workers tested every 2 days, nightingale units used purely for covid from care homes and beaches banned and no non family groups of more than 3 in parks (and patrolled)