Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

denied medical treatment

I still don't get it- why would children get more medical treatment if more NHS staff are needed in ICU or are off long term sick themselves?

Why would it be better for children's mental health to have relatives dying unexpectedly or made long term disabled?

Why would infecting teachers provide better educational prospects?

88% of the deaths have been in the over 65s apparently

@formerbabe you know you'll be over 65 one of these days? You have to hope so, because the alternative is worse - although you seem pretty happy about condemning anyone who dares to be over 65 to that worse fate.

NB: people over 65 are still people - you know, human beings who work, participate in society, help you and your family (hell, we've probably paid for you & your family via our taxes).

Writing off the elderly who can I remind you lived and / or fought through ww1and 2 is so selfish and disrespectful

Nobody alive today fought in WW1...unless they are 118 at least

No one is suggesting prolonging lockdown indefinitely. But the government are moving the goal posts. They started saying we would consider minor changes at an alert level of 3, and full abandoning of lockdown at alert level 2. We are still at alert level 4! No other country has abandoned lockdown at this point in the curve.

You realise that every one of those 40,000 was an actual person, yes? With a family that loved them, elderly or not?

Yes of course. As is every person who dies. The poster was making the point that people are talking like death just shouldn't happen. That death in itself, even in old age, is a 'tragedy'. It's not, its a fact of life. In fact the absolute best any of us can hope for is to die in our eighties having had a good life, and with people being sad that we are gone, isn't it?

Writing off the elderly who can I remind you lived and / or fought through ww1and 2 is so selfish

Ww1..you need to read some history books.

1914-1918...there's no veterans left from ww1

Even a 90year old alive today is too young to have fought in ww2.

I feel for you op. It must be awful being denied treatment that your child needs. However do not blame lockdown. Blame the virus or rather our Government for handling it so badly at the start.
Had we locked down sooner, closed our borders and had an NHS with more capacity we may be in a better position now.
I do think that other treatments should restart and believe that in some areas they have so chase op.
Lifting lockdown is about getting the economy going but I hope that this won't result in a spike of cases. Thus putting the NHS and other treatments at ridk again.

Yes I do have a link.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/hospital-patients-england-coronavirus-covid-19

Formerbabe...you are just being pedantic..ok maybe not WW1 but am hoping you get the gist of what I am trying to say !! There are many 90 + year olds alive and in good health who will remember the sacrifices their parents made or older siblings. Just remember that our generation have a lot to be grateful for and these people deserve to end their lives with some respect.

(hell, we've probably paid for you & your family via our taxes).

Hardly, 60% of tax payers are net takers, and pensions are unfunded and paid from current tax revenue.

Young people are our future, the next generation, of course they should be the priority. Most elderly people I know, including my parents would not want lockdown to continue at the cost of the younger generation. They are quite happy to carry on self isolating and taking precautions for themselves.

I also believe lockdown needs to end but slowly.
Hospital appointments should resume and should have continued in a safe manner when possible.
Even if those who died were old, disabled, ill with obesity related issues high blood pressure etc or healthy but unlucky. Please spare a thought for how they died? Alone gasping for air, a nurse popping in dressed in full PPE no face. Laying on their front for hours every day choking of yellow stuff from their lungs. No family present saying goodbye on an ipad, taking their last breath alone put in a sealed body bag for family never to see again, sitting 2 metres from siblings with a maximum of 10 people, no wake. I'm only asking you spare a thought these people may not have had much to offer society but they meant the world to their family.

I wonder why the nightingale hospitals aren't being used as dedicated COVID centres ie. COVID cases don't go near hospitals so the rest of the hospital (nearly) resumes as usual.

Because they are not acute hospitals

Lockdown needs to end but there do need to be rules and restrictions.

It is terrible that the OP's baby is being denied medical care. Same has happened to people in my family. Medical care needs to happen. We need to get proper PPE for medics, have people wait outside (or whatever can be arranged) and get this essential care functioning.

But you cannot call covid a bad cold. OK for some people but 40k people in this country are dead from it and our population density does not lend itself to distancing.

He had been re trained to work in ICU with patients on ventilators. If he returned to his own department, even for a day that was one less ICU person and that might lead to the death of more than one personin ICU.

OK...I still think a baby being left disabled and having to go through a series of painful operations for a totally treatable condition in which the harness works 95% of the time is more tragic than a 90 year old dying. I agree with the people who think it is bizarre that every death is now a "tragedy" and we must all live till 150. Death is a fact of life, it happens to everyone and if you outlive average life expectancy that is a good outcome - it's a bit unhealthy to think otherwise.

Because if that baby doesn't get treated, it's highly likely it would have a much worse quality of life being in and out of hospital for hip problems for ~80 years, whereas the 90 year old saved might live for 5 more years.

They started saying we would consider minor changes at an alert level of 3, and full abandoning of lockdown at alert level 2. We are still at alert level 4! No other country has abandoned lockdown at this point in the curve.

The problem is that the alert level is meaningless. The scientists are not prepared to take responsibility for lowering it so if we take that route we will be on lockdown forever. What you are saying should be correct but it isn’t unfortunately as the system isn’t working.

When the bundesliga started again they had very similar rates of positive tests to footballers in the UK. The way we are counting deaths is different to other countries so it’s hard to compare.

@BeijingBikini

90 year olds aren’t being aggressively treated anyway!

I do agree 100% with OP’s concern over her baby though. Even if lockdown is lifted, (and I agree it should!) due to outbreaks in hospitals (and care homes) the NHS isn’t going to suddenly be up and running straight away.

@KeepWashingThoseHands

I wonder why the nightingale hospitals aren't being used as dedicated COVID centres ie. COVID cases don't go near hospitals so the rest of the hospital (nearly) resumes as usual.

Because they can’t staff both them and the regular hospitals. They never could. They were always just a PR move. They don’t have random spare doctors and nurses knocking around with no jobs.

OP, I would just buy the harness from eBay and keep your baby in frog-leg position, it's healthy for their hips anyway and you won't be doing them any harm even if they don't have dysplasia. I had it as a kid and don't remember anything.

The scientists are not prepared to take responsibility for lowering it so if we take that route we will be on lockdown forever.

It hasn't occurred to you that maybe the reason they are not prepared to take that responsibility is because the criteria set out for the lower level haven't been fulfilled? That's not to say they never will.

The way we are counting deaths is different to other countries so it’s hard to compare.

Only sensible way is compare ONS (and similar) statistics of expected deaths for time of year with actual deaths.

Yes Cory it has because I’m not thick. And that is the conclusion that I’ve come to. The threat level is no longer being mentioned I think for that reason.

Only sensible way is compare ONS (and similar) statistics of expected deaths for time of year with actual deaths

No, because that includes deaths caused by lockdown not covid