Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

Icansmell

What a stupid analogy:

"Pebblexox Sat 06-Jun-20 08:34:53
If you opened a bag of skittles and we're told 1% of them were poisoned, would you still eat the bag and hope you didn't eat the poisonous one?"

Stupid, because to the vast majority of people there isn't a 1 in a 100 chance of dying of Covid-19.... people under the age of 45 for example do not have that chance of dying so a stupid comparison.

Young people have a great risk of dying of suicide/cancer/crossing the road and general accidents ....

Think of it as protecting your baby from a chance of getting the virus at the hospital you so desperately want her to go to...the brace doesn't work in all cases and baby may need an operation anyway...you sound very naive or plain stupid to be honest....a bad cold....yeah right. A good friend of mine works on ITU...and I can assure you it is more than that!

If you opened a bag of skittles and we're told 1% of them were poisoned, would you still eat the bag and hope you didn't eat the poisonous one?

I would if I was starving.

I wouldn't recommend popping into AE over the weekend. Call your GP on Monday

@Lesserspottedmama

People keep spouting the ‘40,000’ families grieving thing. A great many of those 40,000 were incredibly elderly. Of course it is still sad for them and their families. But why has very elderly people dying become so unacceptable? It’s a fact of life! I genuinely don’t understand. Why is someone dying in their 90s a tragedy and why is their family deep in grief? All of my grandparents died in their 70s. They were loved and are still missed today, there were tears and they were mourned but I don’t think anyone in my family considered it a ‘tragedy’. People have become hysterical and lost all perspective. I feel so sorry for the children And young people of today, they are getting a raw deal on so many levels.

Well said. Mum spent the last 3 years in excruciating pain wishing for her time to come. Seeing her like that broke my heart. When she was told that she would not survive C-19, she took off her oxygen mask and died 20 minutes later, the HCA who was with her at the time told me that she'd gone with a smile on her face. Yes I have cried over her death, but I cried more over her suffering whilst she was alive. The last 3 years of her life were a tragedy, her death was not.

@sprinklesone

If you opened a bag of skittles and we're told 1% of them were poisoned, would you still eat the bag and hope you didn't eat the poisonous one?

I would if I was starving.

And it would need to be a bloody big bag!! 60 million people in the country and only 2% will be badly effected by this. So that’s two skittles out of 60 million - yeah I’d take that risk

I'm shocked by some of the attitudes on here. This is a novel virus, there is of course limited data and no one is fully aware at this stage of how the virus works and long term health affects.

I've been in bed since the beginning of March with a bewildering array of symptoms including high fever, respiratory problems, arrhythmia, diarrhoea, facial numbness, rashes, fatigue, to name but a few. A previously healthy, active 48 year old woman. I can't care for my kids, I can't work and I'm reading here that it's anxiety. It's not sodding anxiety and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

At time progresses, I guarantee you will read more cases like mine and there will be data available backing this up. In the meantime please don't make sweeping judgements.

LOL good response...

I checked the actual number of skittles needed to make a proper analogy......

I found this from data on ages of people dying:

"There have been 8.4 deaths per 100,000 people among the under-65 category, which rises to 286 deaths per 100,000 in the over-65 group."

Therefore for someone under the age of 65 you would need to offer 100,000 skittles and say that 8.4 of them were poisonous..... now if you are starving or would be if you couldn't go to work or found the risk of dying from other reasons much higher than that 8.4 out of 100,000 then you would want lockdown to end/ease so that other reasons of dying might lower too...

People keep spouting the ‘40,000’ families grieving thing. A great many of those 40,000 were incredibly elderly. Of course it is still sad for them and their families. But why has very elderly people dying become so unacceptable? It’s a fact of life! I genuinely don’t understand. Why is someone dying in their 90s a tragedy and why is their family deep in grief? All of my grandparents died in their 70s. They were loved and are still missed today, there were tears and they were mourned but I don’t think anyone in my family considered it a ‘tragedy’. People have become hysterical and lost all perspective.

I agree with this. A 'tragedy' is a 2 year old dying from a brain tumour, or a mum with 2 young children dying in a car accident. It's not in their 80s dying from a virus. I actually think that medicine further advances and people live longer, we are becoming more and more terrified of death, and that's not very healthy either.

I do think that the govt policy of sending people back to care homes without a test, allowing Covid to rip through care homes, was utterly irresponsible and could have been avoided.

But I do think that we are also losing perspective a bit as well.

It is clear that covid is a nasty virus fed up but a lot of nasty viruses have long term consequences. Glandular fever is one for example. I’m sorry that you’ve had such a horrendous time and I hope you feel better soon.

But there are also people who are sick and dying of other things. Who have also been ill since March and don’t have covid. There is going to be an increase in obesity, including child obesity when 1 in 3 people get cancer in their lifetime.

@AlternativePerspective , Well said. I wish you a long and happy life.

But unfortunately you and other can not change the minds of those people who just keep parroting the but 40,000 have died. They can not and will not accept that more then 40,000 lives are going to be lost BECAUSE hospital basically shut down for everything bar Covid 19 cases.

Not to mention those who have and will lose they jobs because of lockdown. We have become so narrow sighted in dealing this crisis that unless it to do with the NHS everything else can go to hell.

We are going to have to learn to live with this illness, we all need to go to work, to socialise with family and friends, children need to go to school other wise there are going to be a good few cohorts that are going to lose their education as we as a country do not have the resources to be able to teach children at home as we would in school.

There is no money tree to pay for people to not work, we have to pay the money back we have already borrowed.

I agree OP. I often get slated on FB (not that I care) for expressing this opinion but it’s about time we slowly got back to normal.

If we carry on not doing routine stuff and getting the economy back to normal then the long term implications are going to be worse than the effects are Covid-19 as a recession has incredible long term effects on health etc

People keep spouting the ‘40,000’ families grieving thing. A great many of those 40,000 were incredibly elderly. Of course it is still sad for them and their families. But why has very elderly people dying become so unacceptable? It’s a fact of life! I genuinely don’t understand. Why is someone dying in their 90s a tragedy and why is their family deep in grief? All of my grandparents died in their 70s. They were loved and are still missed today, there were tears and they were mourned but I don’t think anyone in my family considered it a ‘tragedy’. People have become hysterical and lost all perspective. I feel so sorry for the children And young people of today, they are getting a raw deal on so many levels.

You realise that every one of those 40,000 was an actual person, yes? With a family that loved them, elderly or not?

I never realised there were so many heartless people around.

Sorry, wrong poster named above. I’ve reported myself.

@fedupofbed but how many people who have had it mildly, with hardly any symptoms, what is the percentage? Without that info it’s very difficult to justify lockdown going on indefinitely. If it’s say 20% of working age of a population will be in bed for a couple of months and not able to work and look after children then yes it might be worth it, if it’s say 5% then no. Wishing you a quick recovery

@fedupofbed also have you been tested? Do you know it’s Covid?

I agree on the whole perspective thing. I wouldn't want my kids staying in for me if it meant I maybe wouldn't get a virus that could potentially kill me. I would do everything in my power not to hinder their lives. I would be pissed off if they didn't wash their hands or take precautions but to stay in and stall their lives is just too much.
Those at the bottom will not be able to bounce back from this.
They are being made to pay for it. Makes me sick a little bit. When they say all this they get told that they are the selfish ones. They're not. They just want to get on with their lives. The at risk group are welcome to stay at home and I will help them as much as I can but I am of no use to anyone like this.

I can understand why you're angry OP. I feel the same way to people who are behaving as though the lockdown is over, thus putting DD's life at risk if she catches covid.

It's a tough one.

DD is not going to die if she gets it. But she had post viral fatigue 4.5 years ago after glandular fever, which went onto developing ME. She's been largely housebound since she was 14 yo, missed over 4 years of education. She's been slowly making progress, but catching covid will put her recovery back 4 years. To her that feels like she will have died.

It's not binary. It's estimated that 10% of people who catch covid and don't die will develop PVFS and be left with a life-changing illness and will not return to their pre covid life.

That's on top of the % who actually die. It's still a serious illness.

Hopefully as things start to settle down, elective treatments and operations will start up again. But while the virus is uncontained and out of control, that isn't going to happen.

I recognise formerbabe’s style there @TheClaws. She thinks the only people of any consequence in this world are children and would throw old people under the bus in a heartbeat

No...just fed up of the current view of society that children should put up with being effectively locked up by the government, denied medical treatment, denied an education, denied a social life...because it is now considered unreasonable that incredibly elderly people will die at some point.

But that isn’t the reason. It’s to slow down the spread. And it’s a few months. You seem to think it’s a life sentence and kids are returning to school now.

A family member is 29 and has a brain tumour that needs operating on. He has been waiting since since March with no sign of a date.
Cancer treatment has been put on hold in my local hospital.
People with stroke and heart attack symptoms are avoiding hospitals.
Referrals for cancer screening have dropped dramatically as people are scared to visit the Dr.

There is a bigger picture here that is being ignored 😔

No...just fed up of the current view of society that children should put up with being effectively locked up by the government, denied medical treatment, denied an education, denied a social life...because it is now considered unreasonable that incredibly elderly people will die at some point.

formerbabe You need to calm down. They won’t be “locked up” forever. You are really overdoing the hyberbole. I did my whole final year of high school by correspondence from home - I had moved far away from my friends. I saw no one for a year. It was hard, but I was okay.

It is always unreasonable when anyone dies. I don’t care what age they are.

Formerbabe ...so you think your children having to miss school for possibly a few months is more harrowing than anyone ,whatever age basically suffocating or being left with long term disabilities? Writing off the elderly who can I remind you lived and / or fought through ww1and 2 is so selfish and disrespectful ! They are the reason why you and your children have the freedom you are missing, for this short period in your life!