Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

Ever hear the phrase "a stitch in time saves nine"? Or, "more haste, less speed"?

The people who want lockdown extended want this because they believe that the swiftest route back to normality is to bring cases a little lower than they are now, probably by continuing lock down for about another month to six weeks, by which point cases should be lower, the test, trace and isolate system should have solved its teething problems, and we should be in a much better state to be able to suppress any second wave of infections.

We believe that removing lock down early will necessitate a second lock down and cause increased suffering and economic damage in the long term. We are not advising this because we are scared, or lazy, or enjoying lock down too much, but because we believe that in the medium and long term it will be the better choice for everyone, including those suffering badly at the moment.

Whether you agree with us or not, at least credit us with good intentions.

EmeraldShamrock

Mum's death took 20 minutes...there was no lying on her front for hours, days on end or any of the other ways you describe. Mum went into hospital on a Sunday, went to the resp ward, had an oxygen mask on. She took it off herself at 12.45 am Tuesday morning (knowing full well what it meant for her),and the Dr was on the phone telling me she'd gone at 1.15 am. Don't believe all the horror stories because it's not always the way the media tells you.

But Nellodee keeping lock down in place for too long and then loosening it towards the Autumn is frankly a recipe for disaster.

The thing is we're not doing this lockdown to make coronavirus disappear. It won't. Surely it's better to lift it slightly now and have a,second wave during summer than have a second wave in winter.

The claws

“ It is always unreasonable when anyone dies. I don’t care what age they are.”

This is madness. The only certainty in life is that we are all going to die. Death is coming for all of us.

I don’t want to die now. I want to have a happy long life where I make a positive difference to the world, make peace with my mistakes and hopefully have some grandchildren. And then die. Hopefully not in pain. I fully expect to bury my remaining grandparent and my parents during my life. I hope for them the same as me, happy long lives but I do not want them to live forever. I have the same hopes for my daughter, and out of all of these people she is also the one I have the moral and legal responsibility for.

Of all the hopes and dreams I have the ones that are not being fuffiled right now are for My daughter. My GF has had a happy long life, covid may take him, maybe not but that is what may happen when you are old with multiple comorbitites. My parents have some risk factors, they have not yet completed their aims for life, they are taking sensible precautions, but like me feel living a life and achieving ones goals is more important that just being alive. My daughter is struggling and not really living - she’s been inside for three weeks due to household isolation, she is sad and isn’t currently on route to a happy future.

In conclusion my GF has lived his good life. My parents are living there’s and so am I. My daughter has not lived so for me that is the tragedy. The OPs daughter is at serious risk of not getting to live any of her life free from pain or disability - that is a much bigger tragedy to me than someone like my GF dying at the end of a long fulfilled life

@trappedsincesundaymorn I'm sorry for your loss. You do know everyone is different. My DM's took over 24 hours after they removed her Cpap and supplied morphine that was after she lay for 2 weeks gasping before developing pneumonia when they said she wouldn't make it removing the machines.
I said goodbye on an ipad. I'm glad your experience was quicker.

Whether you agree with us or not, at least credit us with good intentions.

You want society shut down for nearly 5 months?

I'm not sure good intentions matter when you are asking for the medium term suspension of the systems and institutions we have developed over millennia to look after ourselves and each other.

I don't think what you are asking for could ever be justifiable.

This is really an example of the road to he'll being paved with good intentions.

And that's even accepting that all lockdown enthusiasts do have good intentions, which it is increasingly clear they do not.

I am horrified by this. Time is critical here, the longer it’s untreated the more likely there’s a life-long disability. Here in Australia I can’t understand the adoration of the NHS - both publicly and privately this all would have been sorted in a couple of days. A GP could’ve referred for a private scan which would’ve been reported the same day, a baby hip scan would have been “free” (paid for by Medicare) in many private radiology groups. This is absolutely appalling, shit care.

EmeraldShamrock

As you say everybody is different. and condolences to you.

OP can you contact a solicitor. It is appalling a baby is at risk of surgery without this treatment.

To clarify as well - it would engender urgent imaging and paed ortho review if done publicly as well. Waiting 6 weeks is horrific. OP, this is wrong.

@trappedsincesundaymorn Thank you.
Same to you.

@Nihiloxica

Whether you agree with us or not, at least credit us with good intentions.

You want society shut down for nearly 5 months?

I'm not sure good intentions matter when you are asking for the medium term suspension of the systems and institutions we have developed over millennia to look after ourselves and each other.

I don't think what you are asking for could ever be justifiable.

This is really an example of the road to he'll being paved with good intentions.

And that's even accepting that all lockdown enthusiasts do have good intentions, which it is increasingly clear they do not.

Totally agree Nihloxica.

I am increasingly worried at the perception that lockdown enthusiasts have the moral high ground.

They really don't.

It feels as if we are in a state of paralysis trapped between the devil and the deep blue sea

“Lockdown enthusiasts “ it’s like calling people who know one more dose of chemo is required “chemo enthusiasts”.

“Lockdown enthusiasts “ it’s like calling people who know one more dose of chemo is required “chemo enthusiasts”.

I'm with you OP. The damage that will be done by lockdown is less immediately obvious, but will be severe and long term, and arguably worse than the damage done by lifting it.

“Lockdown enthusiasts “ it’s like calling people who know one more dose of chemo is required “chemo enthusiasts”.

LOL at the idea that the people screeching for endless lockdown are like experienced oncologists making a careful medical decision.

Chemo enthusiasts are the non-medical people who insist that chemotherapy should be used regardless of the ability of the patient's body to cope with it.

Much like lockdown enthusiasts, in fact.

The thing is we're not doing this lockdown to make coronavirus disappear. It won't. Surely it's better to lift it slightly now and have a,second wave during summer than have a second wave in winter.

Trouble is we'd need another complete lockdown to halt the second wave. We need to find the "middle ground" where the virus can be held down to manageable levels, rather than see-sawing between complete lockdown and release.

Trouble is we'd need another complete lockdown to halt the second wave.

Says who? There is no real evidence that lockdown even works in the medium/ longer term. Brazil are predicted to have a death rate no worse than the UK as they have a population of 200m.

@corythatwas Perfect analogy.

There will be no second lockdown.

The lockdown enthusiasts know that.

They will never get consent for this a second time.

That's why we are all being sold a "new normal" that will maintain us in a permanent state of mutual suspicion and risk aversion.

LOL at the idea that the people screeching for endless lockdown are like experienced oncologists making a careful medical decision.

I am not screeching. Just pointing out that my 23yo dd is vulnerable and so are many other young people.

I also know middle-aged people who have sustained damage to their inner organs which may well be permanent. The percentage of the latter is not yet known but appears much higher than was thought at first. Their rehabilitation and support and inability to return to work is going to cost society too.

I can't imagine why folk would want to you know, not die.

You realise that every one of those 40,000 was an actual person, yes? With a family that loved them, elderly or not?

But they weren't... sorry, I'm being factual.
Some had no family.
Some were unrepentent pedos.
Some had other ugly criminal records.
Some had terrible other health problems, and dying with covid was a merciful release.

The virus doesn't discriminate on any of the above -- I take that partly back, it definitely kills more of the people who might be able to appreciate a merciful release. Calling every one of the "deaths with covid", a tragedy, is weird.