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Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

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Thefrenchbaguette · 05/06/2020 08:35

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

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pointythings · 05/06/2020 12:32

The reason the NHS has capacity now is that there has been a ruthless drive to move people out of hospital (much earlier than would otherwise have been the case) and either back home with community support (which is where a lot of resource has gone, to keep people safe and well at home when their health status is not optimal) or into care homes (without COVID testing, hence death rates in care homes. Hospitals were told to do this by the government - it was not a choice. The anticipated surge of COVID cases didn't happen because we had a lockdown and we should be grateful for that.

I work in the NHS. I've worked stupid long days from home to support the effort of getting clinicians to where they needed to be during this pandemic and I'm now working stupid long days from home to restart services that were suspended.

As for 'waste and inefficiency' - tell that to the people who didn't have proper PPE. Tell that to the people who are trying to meet government targets for data and for agile working with equipment that is out of date - including computers still running Windows 7 - because there is no money to buy new and functional kit. Tell that to the Out of Hours and emergency nursing services who have been asked to make 20% cost savings at a time when they don't have the staff to meet the care needs of the ever increasing number of older people with serious health conditions who need care at home. People who, if they don't get that care, will end up in hospital which will cost far more.

Tell those people all that and then tell them why you're on here vilifying the NHS.

everybodysang · 05/06/2020 12:34

fuck me.

I am truly sorry that your baby can't get treatment - that is awful. And there must be quick and huge investment in the NHS so it can cope with the aftermath of this and get back up and running. And continued investment.

I had a stroke last year and all my aftercare has disappeared. It's really worrying.

But it's not just a bad cold. You're being incredibly ignorant. My friend lost her healthy, 61-year-old father. Another is dealing with her husband now having a life-long disability because of it. I had it really mildly and I was still unwell for seven weeks.

alreadytaken · 05/06/2020 12:37

The NHS was not funded to deal with an epidemic while still continuing routine treatments. Blame those who voted for resource cuts.

There was inadequate PPE to protect staff - blame the government who took direct control of sourcing it - and didnt.

Testing was so inadequate that staff had to sit at home when they possibly had something other than Covid-19 - blame a government that couldnt arrange enough tests.

Too many people were saying this is "just a bad cold" or it only affects 10% severely (best estimate is 20%). So they went on going to mass public events, mixing with just as many people as usual, going on holiday and bringing it back with them - blame the selfish and stupid. That might mean blaming yourself.

The NHS is going back to routine work now, it will be able to do a lot more if people continue to restrict their social interactions. Lockdown has to be relaxed to get the economy moving again but how uh are you mixing with other people OP?

Your anger is misdirected and stupid - and you are contributing to making your child's problem worse

TheClaws · 05/06/2020 12:39

Yes it's sad on a personal level. But people don't live forever. People dying in their nineties is not especially surprising or tragic from an objective point of view.

The remarkable thing about COVID is that it’s brought out all the heartless, soulless people, along with the those who seem to lack the ability to think critically. Sometimes these exist together to create an bleaty empty beast. Maybe, formerbabe, even if you think something, it could be better not to type it out and broadcast it?

Squirrellamp · 05/06/2020 12:41

Just here to point out that people do die from complications of colds. All. The. Time.

Nat6999 · 05/06/2020 12:47

My hip dysplasia wasn't discovered until I was 1, I spent 6 weeks in hospital contraction & 6 months in spica casts, my hip only went back to normal after being put in a bed to get me ready for surgery because I wouldn't fit in a cot afterwards & me falling out multiple times a night. I can understand how worried & angry you are, my problems with my hips have caused me other problems all my life.

Gazelda · 05/06/2020 12:53
  • Because you can die from covid and pass it on to several others who will also die. Your baby will not die from having a hip problem

And apparently prolonging the life of mostly incredibly elderly people is more important than the mental and physical health of children*

CQC have released data this week that shows a rise of 134% in the number of death notifications for people with learning disabilities between 10 April and 15 May this year over last year. And these people have died at a younger age range than the wider population.

COVID deaths are not being over dramatised, the scandal is only just emerging.

That's not to dismiss the concerns around how other health conditions are being addressed. These are also very worrying for individuals and their families. All Heath concerns should, ideally, be being properly looked after.

BakedCam · 05/06/2020 12:54

@Inkpaperstars

Hang on...is the activity of the NHS part of lockdown? I genuinely thought that was a separate issue and lockdown was about shops, going out etc...
The lockdown and stay at home orders were implemented to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed. The nation was told to stay at home and not go to hospital and 111 would screen and gatekeep who would receive treatment. All electives were postponed and many treatments were postponed. This was to give the NHS time to free up and land grab other wards to convert into ICU.

Most people were discharged without any testing and sent to care homes which is why so many deaths occurred in them.

dollybird · 05/06/2020 12:54

OP, I haven't read the full thread, and I don't mean to scare you, but if you DD has very obvious DDH, there is a chance that the harness may not work anyway. DS was diagnosed at one day old and went into a harness at two weeks old. He was only in it for three weeks before they decided it wasn't doing what it should (you have to have weekly scans at first). He ended up having a closed reduction at one year old which was successful, and he was discharged when he was 14 with 'near normal hips'. He's now 18. Apart from the general anaesthetics, the operation was minimally invasive, but I will say the time in a plaster cast was stressful (especially as I was pregnant and it was a very hot summer).

I hope that you get the treatment for her that she needs very soon. There are services happening though. DH's aunt has been diagnosed with skin cancer since lockdown and had her operation only yesterday.

VenusTiger · 05/06/2020 13:02

@LaurieFairyCake please IGNORE that info you have shared from BBC it is incorrect.

The UK has clumped together UNREPORTED deaths from Mar, Apr and May.

Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?
Kazzyhoward · 05/06/2020 13:03

They are treating non covid patients. They never stopped. What did happen was prioritisation, which always happens.

No, they weren't. My OH was mid way through cancer treatment which was stopped when the oncology dept closed. It's only just re-opened in the last couple of weeks and no date yet for re-starting treatment. They've only just given a blood test appt for mid July(!).

Kazzyhoward · 05/06/2020 13:05

For the idiots who think "it's only a cold" - google for Kate Garraway's husband - it's heartbreaking.

NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite · 05/06/2020 13:11

My DH's colleague has just returned to work (wfh) after 4-5 weeks off with Covid-19. She looks awful. She is still struggling with her breathing. In her 40s, white, no underlying illness and not obese.

She wouln't agree it's a bad cold.

EnlightenedOwl · 05/06/2020 13:14

@Kazzyhoward

For the idiots who think "it's only a cold" - google for Kate Garraway's husband - it's heartbreaking.
Please read the full story
EnlightenedOwl · 05/06/2020 13:16

@Alsohuman

Mine were six month apart too *@Enlightenedowl*, it must have been dreadful to lose them at such a relatively young age. I’m sorry for your loss too. 💐
Thank you..
Nonnymum · 05/06/2020 13:18

hink when people want the lockdown to continue, they're referring to all the non essential openings and activities going on
This
And its not just a bad cold. I know people who have died from it. People who had a full and happy life before they caught it.

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TheClaws · 05/06/2020 13:34

No, blackcat, it’s just OP’s DD that matters. There ‘s only one dc in the whole of Britain.

GruffBelow · 05/06/2020 13:38

@peachgreen

The NHS is doing just fine in treating those that need it.

Indeed. Thanks to lockdown, and to measures in place to preserve NHS resources. And thank goodness for that.

You're either not very bright or massive goady.

Agree
Betty98 · 05/06/2020 13:38

No, blackcat, it’s just OP’s DD that matters. There ‘s only one dc in the whole of Britain. Why does blackcat matter more than OPs DD? How can anyone rank the worth of someone’s life against others?

Blackcat wants to prioritise herself and has government procedure backing that up, OP wants to prioritise her DD but doesn’t have government procedure backing that up. Hence the anger.

BeijingBikini · 05/06/2020 13:39

@Kazzyhoward

For the idiots who think "it's only a cold" - google for Kate Garraway's husband - it's heartbreaking.
That doesn't change the fact that for most people it is like a bad cold or no cold, which is what OP said. That doesn't exclude the fact that for some there can be horrible and rare complications.
EmeraldShamrock · 05/06/2020 13:40

even if you think something, it could be better not to type it out and broadcast it? Hear hear. There are many things I'd think to write but then I realise it might be hurtful and isn't really important just my negative opinion on something. 🤷‍♀️

YounghillKang · 05/06/2020 13:40

I agree with pp the government’s handling of the crisis – too little, too late – plus the lack of funding of the NHS in previous years have made things far worse here than they might have been. The funding given to NHS still won’t bring it back to where it was in 2010 let alone be sufficient for what’s needed now.

As for the ‘bad cold’ analogy, healthcare professionals increasingly comparing Coronavirus to HIV/AIDs and other conditions that can lead to lifelong health problems. It’s not so much a respiratory illness as one that attacks a host of areas of the body.

Even if you don’t care about elderly or BAME population dying – and it seems that many of you really don’t. Then perhaps you should care about:

  • the people of working age being discharged as recovered but needing oxygen to breathe and sleep many of whom may never be well enough to work again;
  • the people who’ve had mild cases at home later found to have heart damage. The kind that can be hard to notice at first, because they take time to get really bad, unless of course they kill you first - like certain forms of hypertrophy;
  • the possibility of losing a limb;
  • strokes, and pulmonary embolism in younger people;
  • the people who have lung damage; liver damage; cognitive problems and so on….

The government presented the issue as you die, you recover or you get it mildly. They were misleading, recovery from hospital – and this included people who didn’t need a ventilator just oxygen – is proving slow and many are needing extensive aftercare. And getting it mildly at home is no guarantee that you won’t develop serious health problems.

Lifting lockdown will not only increase deaths but it will also increase the numbers of people developing lifelong problems, and that will in turn make it harder for the NHS to provide for existing ones. Lifting lockdown when we still have 8,000 cases a day - and that’s the figure coming from government briefings – will lead to increases in deaths but also in lifelong conditions all of which will impact on NHS provision and on the economy.

If you want decent, accessible medical treatment for your daughter or anyone’s daughter, it’s in everyone’s interests to keep cases of Coronavirus low not just for now but in terms of how mass cases will impact services in future. This is not to mention that a high number of healthcare providers will die or be seriously ill further disrupting services.

YANBU to want care for your daughter but YABU to think lockdown is the issue, in the area of the country I’m in, lockdown has brought cases down and people in our Trust have had scans, cancer treatments, tests, and other provision available for a few weeks now.

BUT If number go up again then those treatments may not be available. Lockdown also buys time for a better understanding of the illness and how to treat it effectively. It’s only recently that it was recognised as something far more complicated than a respiratory illness, and breakthroughs in suitable medications are increasing.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 05/06/2020 13:43

People have died due to not receiving care for Covid, leading consultants have expressed their unhappiness in this that they were getting people too late and NHS 111 service deemed them not sick enough.

Or A&E turned them away and they died in their beds!

While I understand you’re frustration I your child’s health, YABU and massively hurtful to those whose loved ones have passed away.

You need to engage your brain before you sprout utter nonsense.

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