Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

@formerbabe

Because you can die from covid and pass it on to several others who will also die. Your baby will not die from having a hip problem

And apparently prolonging the life of mostly incredibly elderly people is more important than the mental and physical health of children

That's a dangerous statement to make.

BAME patients are significantly more likely to die at much younger ages as well as elderly people.

Using your same logic would result in a more accurate statement of your position as 'apparently prolonging the life of mostly incredibly elderly and black people is more important than the mental and physical health of children'.

Which it is.

but I'm sure the parents of children who have died

Very few children have died...it's in double figures I believe. Unbelievably tragic for those victims and their families but statistically children are at very little risk.

The draconian shutting down of most NHS services has astonished me.

I believe a high number of current Covid transmissions are taking place within hospitals, which is probably why many services are still shut down. What needs to happen now are ways of managing hospital spaces so that the risk of cross-infection is minimised.

Sadly you may be right, @DippyAvocado

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/19/fifth-of-patients-with-covid-19-may-have-caught-it-in-hospital-study-finds

A ( non peer reviewed ) study indicates that up to a fifth of all covid transmissions may have been in a hospital setting

No one died because of a lack of access to treatment. The NHS is doing just fine in treating those that need it

BECAUSE OF LOCKDOWN!!!!! If we all went about our usual business thousands more people would have gotten it and the NHS would have been overrun and not able to cope!

"I'd say that 400,000 deaths WITH lockdowns etc across the world it pretty worrying."
Yes I would too, and I very much doubt the numbers of a lot of countries.

It is very difficult. I have 2 conditions that make me high risk of serious illness or death if I contract COVID - Type 1 diabetes and severe asthma - neither of those is my fault. I don’t think my children deserve to lose their mother because others couldn’t wait for treatment but neither do I think it is fair to keep people in pain or at risk of dying of something they would otherwise likely have recovered from. It is a difficult balance and which ever way it goes, there will be devastated families. I think, OP, you have to recognise the difficulties of the times we are living and stop with utter rubbish like ‘it’s a cold’ with the death toll as high as it is.

Nightingale hospital which was built to cope with demand only had less than 20 ppl in it ...so why werent all covid patients taken to that so hospitals could resume doing other urgent treatments like cancer, surgeries provided patients tested were negative

Because the Nightingale didn't have the kit it needed to manage the care of gravely ill Covid patients. For example, it didn't have the type of ventilator needed when people are seriously ill and it didn't have any dialysis machines (Covid can cause renal failure, so a lot of patients need to be dialysed).

A friend is an ICU nurse at a London hospital and the consultants there wouldn't discharge patients to the Nightingale because of these issues.

The Nightingale actually made things worse for them, because they lost nursing staff who were redeployed to the Nightingale, where they sat twiddling their thumbs, while they were desperately needed in ICU at the hospital they normally worked at.

Gettting it built was a fantastic achievement. Getting it equipped was a dismal failure.

'The draconian shutting down of most NHS services has astonished me.

I believe a high number of current Covid transmissions are taking place within hospitals, which is probably why many services are still shut down. What needs to happen now are ways of managing hospital spaces so that the risk of cross-infection is minimised.'

Dippy although it was fair enough to shut it all for say 4 weeks, they should have had a team masterminding hospital segregation and getting it implemented ASAP for urgent non-Covid19 patients. And making the absolute most of remote contact methods and consultations for specialists and patients sitting at home.

It feels like they weren't being very clever. No real problem solving. Ffs they couldn't even get PPE to their frontline staff. Porters died because they had to wheel COVID patients around and weren't allowed PPE. How is that ok?

To me it is extraordinary incompetence, because with less arrogance and more intelligent application, less people would be dead, and less going to die or have their lives changed now.

I'm not a hospital manager, though. I think they could have isolated whole sections or whole hospitals for COVID, and kept others free for urgent care. But it might be (must be?) way more complex than that. ?

Isn't this just the NHS for closing down all departments? We can see they have capacity. It doesn't make sense

I'm trying to book both an MRI and a Dexa scan, and can't do either due to the virus. I got the letters to do it on 2nd March....and had rung up again today but still no bookings being taken.

But at least the local physio is open again, so DD has been able to get her knee looked at (she was in serious pain for a few months - she's just growing too fast but at least now has exercises to help).

Not one person who has died with the virus (because let's not forget that they have never been able to differentiate from dying of and dying with) died because of a lack of access to treatment.

You are wrong. Very, very, very wrong.

"Well I don't know about the OP but if it was a choice between my child and Gladys down the road, then sorry Gladys but I love my child more. Isn't that what good parents do?"
It's what selfish people do.

What if was a choice between your baby having treatment now or your mum, Gladys, having treatment for Covid? Surely you can recognise it is more important for Gladys to have treatment that potentially saves her from dying?

The thing that annoys me the most is how those BLM demos were allowed to take place possibly causing a spike which could lead to another lockdown.

Surely this is down to your local trust, not lockdown. My 4 year old had a diagnosis of a non-life threatening condition with a specialist in hospital, followed by a non urgent procedure under general anaesthetic to help treat it. This was a few weeks ago, all during lockdown.

I get that you're angry, but if your local trust had the capacity, and felt it was safe to carry out non urgent procedures, they would be doing it.

I also thought that lockdown was what would enable us to get the NHS back to normal faster than if it was overwhelmed by exponential growth of the virus, more fool me I guess. All we needed to do to get all these cancelled appointments back was let the virus surge to a natural peak.

Yep lockdown means that the NHS will get back to normal sooner than it would have done, had it been left to be swamped. Hopefully your baby's treatment will happen soon as routine appointments are opening up. The nhs should certainly be opening up before hairdressers etc.
BUT relax lockdown too soon and will go back to square one where people will be going in for non covid related things and coming out with covid, or indeed not coming out after dying from it.

It's a fine balancing act.

And yes a pp was right in saying that your anger should be directed at those not socially distancing at the moment because they believe lockdown was "Unnecessary" because 90% only get a bad cold. -- Oh wait - are you one of them op? They will be the ones who ultimately create the second wave and deny treatment to those who need it.

Congratulations on your new baby. Such a shame for its arrival to be at such a time, you must be very scared and frustrated
Hoping you get your appointment asap.
Wishing you both well

What if was a choice between your baby having treatment now or your mum, Gladys, having treatment for Covid? Surely you can recognise it is more important for Gladys to have treatment that potentially saves her from dying?

Actually I'd say that it's more important a baby is treated to avoid a lifetime of disability, pain and complications.

YABU to devalue the lives of older people and people with underlying conditions.

YABU to call it a cold

YABU to think people thinking lockdown has been ended to early think that people shouldn’t be able to access healthcare for other reasons. Most people mean the social aspects of lockdown, not healthcare.

YANBU to be worried about your baby

What if was a choice between your baby having treatment now or your mum, Gladys, having treatment for Covid? Surely you can recognise it is more important for Gladys to have treatment that potentially saves her from dying

Well if it's was a straight choice between a child not being treated and a lifetime of disability or a 100 year old person living an extra few months, I know what I'd choose.

What if was a choice between your baby having treatment now or your mum, Gladys, having treatment for Covid? Surely you can recognise it is more important for Gladys to have treatment that potentially saves her from dying

It would be the baby.

What if it was a choice between your baby being captured by a giant eagle or a made up old lady being flattened by a steam roller?

Why do you want to murder Gladys and for her to die a painful death instead of letting your child be raised by giant birds?

AT LEAST SHE WOULD STILL BE ALIVE!!!

@BeijingBikini, you are so right.

I find it laughable that the government is only now making wearing a mask mandatory for users of public transport. That could have been done 3 months ago and, while it might not have saved many lives, it could certainly have prevented a lot of new cases. Yet when Sadiq Khan wanted face coverings worn on TFL services, they weren't having any of it.

Everything to do with this has been too little, too late. Lockdown, quarantine for flight arrivals, track and trace, testing - all of it too late.

It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

I wouldn’t call protecting a country’s population - and taking care of those ill - from a virus sweeping the world “disgusting”. It isn’t a “bad cold” either. And you expect the NHS to look after your DD too after such insults!

Yabu for dismissing covid but yanbu for being frustrated and upset.

I do think things need to slowly open up but other NHS services should have been a priority before now. However some trusts haven't stopped these things, it seems largely trust by trust.

Social distancing, large gathering cancelled still need to continue but other things like this need opening up and should have been prioritised sooner.

"Not one person who has died with the virus (because let's not forget that they have never been able to differentiate from dying of and dying with) died because of a lack of access to treatment."

Yes they did. 111 were telling people not to go to hospital unless their lips turned blue. I know of a case reported in my area where a father who was only in his 30s with no underlying conditions, who died in the night at home because they wouldnt send an ambulance for him. I'm sure there are plenty if others. Then what about those who died in care homes? They werent getting treatment, were they?