Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

It's pretty short sighted, not to mention extremely callous, to consign a BABY to a lifetime of unnecessary pain and mobility issues to protect other people from a virus that is of negligible risk to the baby.

Remember a few months ago when we cared about lots of health conditions and routinely treated babies to avoid future issues arising from hip problems?

Good times.

"Let's hope an actual killer pandemic doesn't arise in the next few years, because we have well and truly blown our load on this one."
so this wasnt a killer pandemic? Despite millions dying across the world and scientists telling you it is? Not that clever, are you?

what is essentially a bad cold

Are you for real OP?

While I sympathize, you need to blame the people who also think its 'a bad cold' and therefore ignore the guidelines. Until these people start taking responsibility for their selfish actions, we will ALL be stuck in lockdown for a lot longer.

I haven't read the full thread but send you sympathies OP. I am in a medium risk group but I've always had limits on my possibilities and earning capacities due to my disability and I very much want everyone not at risk to be able to get back to life. It's actually better for us with limitations for everything to be running so that the economy might be able to continue to afford us.

The idea that the NHS has not been overwhelmed is the biggest BS ever and I scream at the TV everytime a politician parrots it. Number one priority of the disgusting high up management and propaganda people who the Soviet Union could have been proud of was to see no pictures of people dying in field tents or corridor queues like we see in a normal flu season. It's a disaster for health and many are going to be pushed to go private now to get things done if they can afford it. Excess disability and death will continue for a long while as a result of the shutdown of free at the point of access healthcare.

The draconian shutting down of most NHS services has astonished me.

I visited an emergency outpatient clinic with a friend and the nurse said they had gone from 500-600 patients a day to about 7. She said the suffering will come like a tsunami - it is just being held back at the moment.

I don't like to criticise as this has been an unprecedented situation, but I do think that 'senior management' (the Health secretary and whoever runs the NHS?) could have been more judicious in how they applied resources. (But then again, this is the very administration that sent infected patients into care homes - I have pretty much zero congédié ce in their competence.)

OP, your situation is heartbreaking and yes, I hope restrictions are lifted ASAP for urgent, life-changing care.

However, High street shopping is not essential. We have the bloody internet. We should stay home as far as possible. Until really out of the woods.

It's pretty short sighted, not to mention extremely callous, to consign a BABY to a lifetime of unnecessary pain and mobility issues to protect other people from a virus that is of negligible risk to the baby

I agree services need to be up and running again, depending on local risk levels in hospitals.

But it's a false dichotomy: save baby, save Covid-19 patient.

The baby could have got Covid-19 by going to hospital for the scan or the parent could, if Covid-19 was rampant in hospitals/through community transmission which it threatened to be.

Now we understand the risk better, and Covid-free zones are established in hospitals, this risk is lower and of course it is right time-dependent services should be up and running again, hopefully in time for this baby.

If NHS services HAD been overwhelmed, and it does seem that the NHS couldn't treat corona and routine problems all at the same time, then how would this have helped this particular baby.

I've suggested some practical steps the OP can take, so have others, I think that's more productive than arguing about a lockdown which even if entirely lifted, won't get the OP what she wants in the time-frame she needs it.

OP I'm with you and I'm furious for you. Apparently, covid trumps everything. I've had enough of it now.

Despite millions dying across the world

Fewer than 400,000 people have died of Covid across the world to date.

That is a lot less than "millions".

So why should my daughter or any of the other thousands of people who are suffering indirectly do so because of that!

To be blunt, to keep your child alive.

Yes it's shit her treatment has been postponed, it's even more crap that she may need an operation, but I'm sure the parents of children who have died would swap position with you in a heart beat.

Even if for some crazy reason the OPs dd couldn’t be seen physicaly they could have a video apt with a consultant/physio. A harness could be posted to them - not exactly ideal medicine but what is happening now is worse.

If the hold up is the scan (and uss may be with a private provider which is a separate issue) then the Otho team need to work round this. DDH isn’t a new condition and was treated prior to the use of ultrasound so they need to start thinking out of the box.

Please call your GP today and ask if they have contacted orthopaedics directly rather than just a scan referral

'millions dying'

Current worldwide deaths = around 393,000.

In quoting this, I don't intend to deny the seriousness of this virus, but I do want to point to the lazy and dangerous use of sensationalist and inaccurate language. Dangerous where it is used, as seen many, many times on here, to upset, frighten and/or shame other individuals.

My colleague was due to have hip replacement surgery this year. She is being philosophical about it but I know she is in a lot of pain.

Services are starting to resume as far as I know. I department I work in remained open, we limited service to lower risk patients but now they're coming back through.
I would rather a more severe lockdown to get on top of virus faster so my baby can spend time with her grandparents to be honest. The way things are going I'm not sure it'll even be this year.

"Let's hope an actual killer pandemic doesn't arise in the next few years, because we have well and truly blown our load on this one."
so this wasnt a killer pandemic? Despite millions dying across the world and scientists telling you it is? Not that clever, are you?

Except millions across the world haven't died, just under 400,000 have which given the total population of the world, it is actually an incredibly teeny tiny amount.

I think the word pandemic is incredibly misleading to most people. A pandemic simply means it is something that is seen across the whole of a country or the world (endemic on the other hand is something that is seen only in a certain area). Just becuase something is classed as a pandemic it doesn't automatically make it particularly deadly but because of all the hollywood zombie/infection movies we watch where this scenario is dramatised to the extreme this is what we immediately assume when we hear the word.

I don't think they are mutually exclusive. I fear we are in danger of over protecting the NHS. I was shocked listening to care home staff and managers on Newsnight where the NHS was doing things like phoning homes in the evening when managers had gone home and telling staff that the discharge of a patient had been agreed. The deliberate sending infected people into care homes is a scandal, the OPs daughter not getting treated is a scandal.

Until these people start taking responsibility for their selfish actions, we will ALL be stuck in lockdown for a lot longer.

Absolute bollocks. Covid spreading wasn't due to a few people going to the beach; this is classic Daily Mail propaganda. In fact Britain has been one of the most obedient places, with >90% of people complying. It has spread because of lack of preparation by government, people flying in daily, rubbish infection control in hospitals, and people being sent back to care homes while they had Covid! Blame the bloody government.

I agree with you OP👏

I was with you until the "bad cold" comment.

The draconian shutting down of most NHS services has astonished me.

I believe a high number of current Covid transmissions are taking place within hospitals, which is probably why many services are still shut down. What needs to happen now are ways of managing hospital spaces so that the risk of cross-infection is minimised.

Some hospitals reported up to half their staff were off sick or self isolating back in March. It was simply impossible for them to continue, regardless of prioritising covid. Even if they hadn't, operations, treatments etc would have been cancelled en masse due to staff shortages.

The real problem is why the NHS is taking so long to recover.

Except millions across the world haven't died, just under 400,000 have which given the total population of the world, it is actually an incredibly teeny tiny amount.

That is only 400,000 because of the lockdown. Without controls, the figure could easily be 4 million or 40 million.

I'd say that 400,000 deaths WITH lockdowns etc across the world it pretty worrying.

Thefrenchbaguette I was sympathetic up to the point where you said "avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!" Maybe you could ask them to send you photographs of the dead to leaf through?

But despite that remark I do get that you have a serious concern and I think medical care like that should go ahead and so does just about everyone else. The lockdown that people want continued is mostly about the "oh I can't bear not to sunbathe" brigade. You should join in condemning them as they are the reason this is having to go on so long.

Talk to your GP again and maybe you can get this sorted out.

Everything beijingbikini said, and some.

Personally I think I was a weird subliminal anti-Eu/Brexit dynamic. So incredibly stupid.

I haven't read the whole thread because I can already feel from the first page that 95% of the comments are going to piss me off beyond all belief.

No OP, YANBU, nor are you being unreasonable to suggest that for 90% of the population it is like a bad cold. That is not incorrect. For the other 10% (although I think actually it's FAR less than that) it is dangerous. BUT for most of us, it will not impact our lives other than a few days in bed.

We have to get out of this nonsense of protecting 10% at the expense of the other 90%. The 10% should be protected of course, but the rest of us should be back to some form of normality.

@Thefrenchbaguette I'm more sorry than I can say for the situation your daughter is in. We are throwing our children under the bus for this in so many ways, every day. The total vitriol of so many people on here if you suggest that; you get the lowest blow of "you can't be bothered to look after your children" if you dare suggest you would like them back in school for the sake of their mental health. I despair with people, I really do.