All lives matter

[Scoobyboob]

I’ve disabled voting because today has been a lot already! I can’t deal with seeing another such stark display in % or how few people support BLM.
Is there a black Mumsnet section? I could do with somewhere to discuss race with other BAME people and Allies that doesn’t get hijacked with

•all lives matter
•what about...
•I’m oppressed too
•white people are suffering as well
•if black people would just...

Happy to hear suggestions for other forums as well. I don’t think Mumsnet is standing against racism, so i’m happy to flounce to get what I need. Which certainly isn’t the silencing of black voices whilst overt racism goes unchecked!

Hi Justine 👋 and fuck off Karen!

Agree OP and I think I read the post to which you're referring. Felt so exasperated by it that I backed the hell out of there so can imagine why you would want a BAME section to have some intelligent responses. However, it made me realise the importance of the educating my kids and how to go about it besides just 'racism is bad' so at least that came out of it.

TheHoneyBadger

Being black doesn't give you Carte Blanche to be prejudice in other ways.

Someone who thinks it's OK to be sexist won't get my empathy. Anger doesn't mean it's OK to be offensive to a different group.

Nobody said fuck off men, despite it being a male crime as usual. They said fuck off women. Who didn't commit the offence.

Nobody could watch that footage and not be angry at the injustice. To express the anger by railing against women is completely out of left field and yes, you are accountable for your words regardless of how angry you are.

BTW the OP derailed her own thread by putting that in. It was so unnecessary.

Do you not hear yourself parroting the mra response to feminists there?

Wake up! There’ll be an uncomfortable whirl of cognitive dissonance but you’ll come out the other end better off

This thread is hysterical! Thread title and OP says All lives matter. Unless you're a white racist woman which OP calls a Karen. Then you can fuck off.

And also if you're called Karen, are not racist and don't like being told to fuck off. You should fuck off too.

And even if you're not called Karen but think it's an unnecessary slur, you can also fuck off.

Meanwhile some people are still trying to talk about prejudice against black people whilst ignoring the fact that in trying to make her point, OP has hypocritically been happy to employ a slur against another group of people.

And then personally @ someone who objected to the Karen slur and basically told her to fuck off too by waving bye at her.

So not all then, after all. Totally and utterly undermining (and derailing) the OP.

Fantastic!

MRAs also blame women for male violence so what's your point?

BTW Karen is any woman born in the 60s or 70s. So it could just as easily be Sarah, Louise, Jennifer, Sandra, Amanda, Debbie etc, all popular names when I was at school.

It's not the specific name that offends. I love my name and give nary a shit if others don't. It's what it means, and who it degrades ie middle aged women.

I deliberately avoid threads on race as I get so disappointed with mners on this issue... how can a group of women who are ferocious when it comes to standing up against domestic abuse and sexism and supporting victims/survivors, just flop when it comes to race. Please MN help! Give us a bame space or maybe one of us who are tired should set up our own 🤔 BLM✊🏽❤

No I was ceasing to engage with you 👋

Well said and I totally agree. Sadly I doubt you will be heard on here. As guessed, this thread has now derailed onto all the poor white privaledged women who have had their precious feelings hurt

You may be right. It’s not much but I have managed to get past myself. Some things have finally made it past my defences that I had blocked for a long time.

@Allinadaystwerk

maybe one of us who are tired should set up our own 🤔 BLM✊🏽❤

^^This.

I think the anger of what is happening in the US is probably clouding the minds of people who are usually compassionate, educated women whom are generally supportive of other women regardless of their name.

It's understandable that people are lashing out, but I don't have to be OK with the insults they are throwing out. They're only hurting their own fight with this kind of hypocrisy.

I guess I'm a Karen (born in the 70's). I feel I have a lot less to be angry and fearful about than a black man who stands to be murdered by the police going about his daily business.

This Karen cares about what your message was fundamentally about OP, and hears it, and stands as a white ally.

how can a group of women who are ferocious when it comes to standing up against domestic abuse and sexism and supporting victims/survivors, just flop when it comes to race

I can only speak for myself, but this thread didn't engage me in standing up against racial prejudice because in trying to get me to do so, the OP thought it was right to engage in another form of prejudice.

Maybe we do need a BAME section and then people will have a safe place for indulging in another form of stereotyping and no one will call anyone out on the double standards.

I'm also wondering how any black women called Karen feel about the original post....or is it generally assumed that a woman named Karen is white?

YANBU so many people live in sheltered little bubbles that they just don't get it. I include myself in that. Despite growing up in Britain I only know one black person, my bestie, and in my little bubble she's just like me. I'm not stupid so I knew about the inequality but I still didn't get it.

I think I started to get it a bit more watching a news bulletin on stop and search. They were talking to a young black man who had been stopped and searched more than 20 times on his way to work in the last couple of years. He was a doctor walking to work through London. My husband was a doctor who walked to work through London every day for nigh on 20 years and he'd never been stopped. Of course he's white.

It opened my eyes to the reality but I know I still only see the tip of the iceberg.

@MorrisZapp I thought you were leaving? a thread to ask about a space to discuss issues of race that doesn’t get derailed by what about... has become all about poor Karen!

@BonnesVacances it isn’t my job to inspire you

It really annoys me when people respond to black lives matter with all lives matter . It should be clear to them that it is black lives matter TOO and is because it really hasn't been and is still not the reality.

mbosnz

It's not just about being born in the 1970s. Being called a Karen means you're a white, middle aged, intolerant, annoying, probably racist woman who complains about everything. Are you still OK with being called a Karen?

And yes this is derailing the thread. I don't mean to overshadow such an important issue as BLM, but the slur really shouldn't have been used in the first place.

@3cats

Well, hispanics are treated really poorly in the US and I wonder who is advocating for them.

I don’t think all lives matter means that white people are important too. I think it’s a way of saying that many people in this world are marginalized and brutalized and wouldn’t it be great to live in a society without prejudice and with social justice for all. However, I think that message has gone and all people see is rich white privileged folk complaining, so I don’t share that viewpoint usually.

That is how I feel too. Not when I hear "black lives matter" - I totally support that.

It's when I hear, as I heard today "all lives don't matter - black lives matter" because all BAME people suffer from racism.

Well I think you set that up yourself by completely unnecessarily bringing a slur against women into it. But I'm boring myself now so fair enough, let's call time.

Scoobyboob

If you don't want your thread derailed discussing an offensive term that you used in your OP, then don't use it.