To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

We need some services to restart sooner than others - the dental situation for example is completely out of hand - I had a horrible experience with an infected tooth and it took weeks to get proper treatment, by which point I was seriously ill

JFM27

Would you have felt the same if your dad was 50?

Inappropriatefemale

Well yes, the concerns over dental treatment and COVID19 make perfect sense. An aerosolised procedure is extremely high risk and gives a very high viral load. It's thought why it was medics who had intubated patients or ENT drs who died. There's no comparison between that and going to Tesco or the pub. I thought trusts had dental hubs with high levels of PPE for those in serious need?

@Hearhooves I get that but why can’t she just see me, give me my filing and not give me a deep clean, she mentioned nothing of a trust for those in need

Because the drilling required to give you a filling is an aerosolised procedure.

It's not only deep cleaning that is dangerous.

Phone them or 111 and explain you need to go to the dental hub.

I mentioned the comparison of Tesco, pub, dentist because the dentist is the most important and yet you can’t be seen with pain but you can go into a pub and buy a drink, that’s my point.

I am just so over it all now, as are many I know but the pain is making it worse.

It was just she said it was illegal to use drill, not that it was illegal to see me.

111 won’t do anything except give me painkillers and I can buy them myself.

But that's because the dentist is very high risk, going to Tesco isn't. There's just no comparison. Just because you can go to Tesco doesn't mean it's safe to go to the dentist.

Have I misremembered or are dentists opening up soon anyway? Wasn't it announced last week? I might have imagined that but I thought it was announced in the latest round of changes

Thanks to the poster that said I should call for the hub, I wonder why she wouldn’t mention this to me, I’m in Scotland, is it just England for the hub?

She would have said if this was the case, she is going to call me next week to see how I am and she wants me to take a picture of my sore teeth! How am I meant to get my phone into the back of my mouth to take a pic?!

Just checked - from 8th June dentists can start to re open.

Why wouldn’t she say that though? She is calling me next Wed which is the 10th and never mentioned opening?

We'll, I honestly don't know. Google it. You can check for yourself.

I just did and they won’t be opening in Edinburgh next week England is ahead of Scotland with lockdown though.

Not enough PPE apparently!! Shocking

I'm not sure then op. The date was on the British Dental Association website.

Do you have 111 in Scotland? Phone them and ask what provision there is.

I will thanks.

Just found this. Apparently they have urgent dental centres in Scotland, offering acute treatment.

www.scottishdental.org/public/dental-services-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-information-for-patients-in-scotland/

@pigoons

People should be allowed to do their own risk assessments...

OK - so they should be allowed to decide what they should and shouldn’t be able to do, based on the evidence available?

...and I am fed up with people telling me what I should and shouldn't be able to do on extremely limited evidence in some cases.

Oh dear.

I agree. We locked down when needed and now we need to get back out and on with our lives. We need to follow guidance but as others have said people will suffer and people will die due to economic factors as much as COVID. Schools need to reopen and people need to get back to work. If it peaks again before a vaccine is found then we should stop again. But for now we need to get on.

BeijingBikini*

Me and my family are under 50, slim and healthy with plenty of vitamin D/C - so in all likelihood we won't need treatment. I'm pretty sure I've had it. But I would happily sign a waiver saying "no hospital treatment" if it meant I could go back to normal, yes.“

I salute you BeijingBikini and thank you for a straightforward, common sense reply.
I have 3 vulnerable loved ones at home, 1 of whom is extremely so. I am in my late 50s, slim, fit, healthy, no medications at all. In the last 17 months of post cancer care but supremely confident in that respect.

If I were in your situation I would willingly do the same thing because based on the data, I am extremely low risk. I have to be very careful simply because I can’t risk asymptomatically bringing the virus home. So, it’s early (or permanent 🙄) doors for me until there’s a vaccine or more likely effective treatments.

My worry is the people I see on the rare occasions when I have to venture out, not social distancing, who patently ought to be. It’s fine saying I’ve had enough of the lock down, but if people are in risk groups they really need to take responsibility for themselves and stay home. If they don’t and fall ill with this, who’s responsibility is that?

@pinkprosseco

I agree. We locked down when needed and now we need to get back out and on with our lives. We need to follow guidance but as others have said people will suffer and people will die due to economic factors as much as COVID. Schools need to reopen and people need to get back to work. If it peaks again before a vaccine is found then we should stop again. But for now we need to get on.

Well the scientific opinion is that it's too early to release lockdown and that daily new cases are still high and not rapidly decreasing and so we must proceed slowly.

What advice are you following when deciding we must open schools and get back to work now?

YABVU and so is everyone agreeing with you.

If we hadn't had a prolonged lockdown 500,000 could have died.

If we relax everything the numbers will increase. Given that up to 50% or more are asymptomatic, you could be the one spreading the virus to others who then become seriously ill. Just because you don't care about yourselves it doesn't mean you get to help decide the fate of others.

I think you should show some responsibility and think of others.

@Inappropriatefemale

sorry you are having a shit time. Re your teeth, ring 111 and insist you get a call back from the local emergency dental service. They should be triaging and will offer appointments if you meet certain criteria. Mainly they tell you to take painkillers.

It is a ridiculous situation and proving increasingly unbearable for many. You are not alone - hang on it there