To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

Oh and I forgot to add- its not his "10 week battle against corona virus"- he no longer has corona virus Kate said. He is still in a coma due to rare complications (probably a cytokine storm) caused by the virus. He is no longer "battling" corona, he is battling the damage it has caused- damage that is so rare only 5 people out of hundreds of thousands who have been affected by it have.

@Lincolnfield

For all you who think the lockdown should end I suggest you have a look at Kate Garraway’s exhausted and tear stained face this morning when she spoke so emotionally about her husband’s ten week battle with coronavirus.

Or as the Royles would say - civil liberties? My arse!

Well if we're going to play "grief top trumps", my mum is dead from c-19. I still agree with the OP's sentiments, as does the rest of my wider family, because facing grief alone is fucking awful. My DD cannot visit because it would mean an overnight stay. My sister was unable to attend mums funeral because she lives overseas. We cannot scatter mum's ashes because, again it would require an overnight stay and the mixing of households. Our "rights" to grieve have been taken from us, mum's "right" to a decent send-off have been denied....because guess what...the bereaved don't matter, we, apparently, have to put everyone else's rights first. Well fuck that. My dad's guilt at not being able to do what he wants for the woman he was married to for 57 years, and his tear stained face matters more to me than some woman who I've never heard of.

@trappedsincesundaymorn

I'm so sorry for your loss

Interesting comments from the Alzheimer's Society about how lockdown is causing increased deaths because people with dementia are shutting down due to increased isolation. But hey, it's not covid so they don't matter

It is so insulting that many people seem to think shielding people are "low hanging Fruit" who give nothing to society.

Yes, I'm not sure whether they actually believe or whether it is just an attempt to minimise the threat of COVID-19 (usually while at the same time catastrophising about the lockdown) to suit their own agenda.

@trappedsincesundaymorn Your comment about your poor father had me in tears. Sending my deepest condolences to you and your family

Incidentally I have asthma and have the yearly flu jab but I never received a letter. Asthmatics are not in the automatic shielding category. They are possibly being asked to shield if their GP believes their situation warrants it.

I blame our stupid government. And people's own supidty .. move to Sweden..

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter - I merely used her grief as an example. There are nearly 40000 people suffering unimaginable grief. Not even being able to hold the hand of a dying loved one? It’s inhuman and, if it hasn’t happened to you, you will never understand.

As for children in abusive homes; that always been the case, lockdown or no lockdown and most people couldn’t give a shit - it’s just another sad story in the newspaper.

Please don’t preach to me about cancer treatment- my chemotherapy has been halted Since March, so I’m probably better placed than you.

To say this man no longer has coronavirus is as stupid and ignorant as telling me I no longer have cancer despite losing most of my stomach, a kidney and a good portion of my liver. His current state is a direct result of the virus, geddit?

Most people I’ve seen are more bothered about when Primark And the pubs will reopen, not when they can physically go back to work.

Roll on civil liberties.

There are nearly 40000 people suffering unimaginable grief. Not even being able to hold the hand of a dying loved one? It’s inhuman and, if it hasn’t happened to you, you will never understand

People don't need to imagine it - they were going through it before Covid. My father died on the operating table at 2 am in the morning. He'd been in hospital for 8 weeks, was recovering after surgery and had a major relapse. My mum hauled me out of bed to go to the hospital but it's not as if I could go and sit on the floor of the operating room to hold his hand while he died. What you are describing is not new, and frankly, your suggestions that 'Covid-grief' trumps any other grieving is now fucking insensitive.

1.5 million extra people have signed up for universal credit during lockdown.
8.5 million are furloughed and wondering when it will be there turn (it will be for some of them unfortunately).

Most people I’ve seen are more bothered about when Primark And the pubs will reopen, not when they can physically go back to work

This is probably one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen in my life. Bloody hell.
Never mind the people who cant pay their mortgages and the fact the millions of people have been pushed into poverty due to lockdown, no, we are ALL just shallow and want to go to the pub. Wow. Just wow.

My stepfather killed himself in his fifties after spiralling into depression due to longterm unemployment, but I'm not allowed to care about the eye-watering mass unemployment we're heading for because some celeb I've never heard if cried on TV.

People don't need to imagine it - they were going through it before Covid. My father died on the operating table at 2 am in the morning. He'd been in hospital for 8 weeks, was recovering after surgery and had a major relapse. My mum hauled me out of bed to go to the hospital but it's not as if I could go and sit on the floor of the operating room to hold his hand while he died. What you are describing is not new, and frankly, your suggestions that 'Covid-grief' trumps any other grieving is now fucking insensitive

I agree, there seems to be a hierarchy of grief....My loss is no worse or better than anybody else's and I wish people would realise and understand that every time "but 40,000 people have died" gets mentioned, it adds to the guilt that I'm allowed to express grief and anger because my mum's death is somehow worse than those who have died through other illnesses and disease.

Thank you for your kind words and and my condolences to you as well.

1.5 million extra people have signed up for universal credit during lockdown.

Some of the claims were fraudulent (estimated loss of 1.5bn). Obviously not all but even then, I think we will have had a recession whether or not we have lockdown. I think restaurants, café's , pubs and many other businesses would have made big losses anyway as the number of customers would have dropped dramatically even if they had stayed open. Blaming everything on lockdown is far too simplistic.

Are you mental?

pumble so according to you, either people are lying about losing their jobs, or it doesn’t matter if they did cos they would have anyway.

Please explain what you all want to happen?

You want lockdown to end right, life to go back to normal because you're worried about, in no particular order, cancer patients, people with Alzheimer's, people losing jobs, people in abusive relationships, the bereaved, people being suicidal, children missing out on education.

So, let's lift lockdown. Oh, but hang on, there's still 8000 new cases of Covid per day, another 300 + deaths in the past 24 hours, R above 1 in some areas, no test and trace system in place to quarantine contacts. So, what do you think will happen?

In all likelihood the number of infections will rise exponentially again, so what do you propose should happen then?

There are two choices:

Lockdown again - which puts us back to square one. NHS suspends all the things you are concerned about, economy suffers another 80 billion pound bill, the depressed and abused get shut away again, people in care homes die at an alarming rate and so on

Or

Government decide not to react and let nature take its course.

Which option do you all favour?

Of course, what we could do, and should be doing, is waiting until rates drop to a controllable level and then slowly release lockdown once test and trace (not track and trace that has worked so well in South Korea because we appear to be incapable of developing it here) is in place. But no, that's not agreeable to many of you is it because you seem to think that your indignation at lockdown will somehow control a pandemic.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras As this thread's nearly full, do you want to start a Part 2 with your question or you won't get many answers Plus, if it's a continuation we might not get all the 'not another one of these threads' posts!

pumble so according to you, either people are lying about losing their jobs, or it doesn’t matter if they did cos they would have anyway.

The fact that I think it would have happened with or without lockdown doesn't mean I don't think it matters I also didn't say that all the claims were fraudulent . However some almost certainly were as, criminal gangs are thought to have made a lot of claims as the usual checks had to be relaxed. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52745983

Completely with you @Hearhoovesthinkzebras

Alexis Kate also went on to say that she wants to get back to normal and plans to send her children back to school.

Very well put @Hearhoovesthinkzebras (great username btw)

Agree with Hear too and would be interested in knowing which option pp prefer