To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

Suppression does not clearly entail schools being half open

It does entail waiting until we are able to actually do suppression properly before opening up schools fully

We have only just started test and trace, and compared to other countries we are moving out of a relatively loose lockdown at a higher level of infection ,so a little caution is required .

Slowly and steadily is the target

Schools will fully open quickest if we all act strongly now on social distancing, if we rush, then there will be more lockdowns and greater resistance to opening .

So when that is, we can't say, it depends how many impatient people we have in society

I think we need to keep some perspective. People should be allowed to do their own risk assessments and I am fed up with people telling me what I should and shouldn't be able to do on extremely limited evidence in some cases.

I think we have to learn to live with the virus and while it is OK to be cautious it is not OK for children to be missing an education, not being able to get to a dentist or routine healthcare / eye screening / or GP appointments when it is impossible to diagnose properly over video consultations.

We need a proper strategy, that is flexible and fluid enough to respond to local circumstances not this made up back of fag packet stuff

You talk about making your own risk assessment

And then talk about having a right to schools and dentists being open,

So are the teachers and dentists allowed to make their own risk assessment or do they have to accept yours?

basically exactly what @attackedbycritters said.

@attackedbycritters

You talk about making your own risk assessment

And then talk about having a right to schools and dentists being open,

So are the teachers and dentists allowed to make their own risk assessment or do they have to accept yours?

Yes this is always the flue in the ointment of the "I have the right to do my own risk assessment" argument, it always involves other people who apparently don't have the right to perform a risk assessment (see teachers) but must simply accommodate the demands. Similar to parents saying their children need to go back to school to.play with their friends - but what if their friends and their parents don't want to be part of this grand experiment?

Ffs this country is full of stupid people if everyone had stuck to lock down in the first weeks we would be nearer to the end
The reason other countries have faired better than us is the are more socially responsible!!
Selfish people here are breaking our country and killing our loved ones .
It’s hard to stay home yes the kids are unhappy but better that than dead .

the kids are unhappy but better that than dead

Once people resort to comments like that, you know rational debate has now left the building.

Listening to the briefing sounds like scientists still cautious about lifting too quickly.

Hard isn’t it to know it’s going on and on.

I totally agree with you. It should end NOW. It is beyond ridiculous. I could understand the lockdown beeing imposed initially, but now it is doing so much damage!
Come on, the virus does exist, but it is not as dangerous as they thought. Let people go back to their lives. The rules lack sense and what about the quarantanne being imposed now when all the countries are opening!

Wow crazy ill informed comments about forgetting lockdown.

@MaggieMagpie357

359 more deaths today. I’ll stay in lockdown thanks.

No 359 deaths recorded today, some from 2 months ago. The number for hospitals in England today is 18 (although this will go up, been hovering around 100-150 in hospital once most of the numbers are in).

I really wish the press/government would word it better so people understood that very few of the deaths in the headline number actually occured within the previous 24hrs

It seems it is as dangerous as originally thought, average 1% death rate rising if hospitals get overwhelmed

Indeed most of yesterday's deaths will be announced over the next few weeks

You should have been in our park on Sunday. Lockdown? What fucking lockdown!

Totally agree with you, there are other ways to protect the vulnerable. This is getting to the point where it is clearly harmful to us.

I agree with you! I also don’t think it should have been imposed on us in the first place. Individuals are responsible for their own actions, something which has got very lost.

Because if there hadn't been a Lockdown half a million would have died from Covid 19 in the UK not 50 plus thousand. I don't think you get it, do you🙄

Yep OP I’ve had enough- I’ve stuck to the rules because I’m a goody two shoes by nature & so is my DP but we’re struggling now because we’ve not seen each other since 22/3. We are in a very long-term relationship but don’t formally live together because we have homes, jobs & wider family 65 miles apart. He tends to spend 4 nights a week at ‘my’ place & we consider it our home. He got ‘stuck’ over in his flat at lockdown; if we’d known the rules were going to make it a criminal offence to spend the night with each other in this the 11th week, he’d have come back at the very beginning. It’s tough to see people flout the rules when we feel we’re sticking to them for the wider good. Lockdown needs to ease up for our mental health.

Can’t be arsed to rtft. But one thing I will say; we have no fucking clue what the long term of this shorty virus is. Is it like dengue and Ebola, where the infection causes a worse storm each time it infects? We just don’t know. And the it’s not the being ill you need to worry about; it’s your body’s immune “fight back” and cytokine storm that kills.

Whoever first thought of the phrase “herd immunity” in this context should be shot.

thewordgame

Given that around 1/3 of the population are vulnerable or live with someone vulnerable ( ie not just the shielded) how do you propose protecting them whilst letting everyone else get on with things?

Fr0thand bubble im in complete agreement,people are becoming paranoid,and dont get me started on "second wave fanatics" on FB.Like you i saw it necessary to protect NHS now it seems to have take a life of its own.One of my neighbours was telling me friends of hers,shes about 30 id say ,are scared to leave the house,nothing wrong with them,young healthy people.

As a breast cancer survivor caught very early so no chemo,5 yrs later,fit and well,i m concerned how cancer referrals have gone down,without early treatment cancer kills too,and so do many other illnesses yet they seem not to matter.I want all to have same chance as me.Also youngsters futures wrecked peoples jobs destroyed,futures gone.Yet some idiots seem to want lockdown to go on in definitely.The virus isnt going away we have to learn to live with it.Ive been pilloried on FB by complete strangers for saying what youve said.

Im also concerned how this social distancing will make people far more lonely, older people who live alone who get on bus go into town or city,chat to people on bus,impossible now,In my city a double decker on,ly allowed 8 people lower deck people banned from sitting on many seats,and driver told off a couple who were obviously a "couple " for sitting together. How the hell many buses will they need .In Wilco you scan your own shopping,no assistant contact.But also the young how do they meet get together have a relationship for i nstance. Im retired but fit and healthy,my dining groups are no more, i ve friendly neighbours and im in touch with close friends but i want to see them,socialise managed two outside meets so far in parks.I sit my friends dog whilst shes at work,shes working from home,love and miss him so, Im happy to take risk like you surely it should be our choice,like you i worry about how people seem to happily forgoe our civil liberties and these constant posters a bout social distancing,keeping apart, etc,i feel like a 5 year old back at school.The virus wont disappear,its a risk, but i like you want my life back.its my life our choice.let others stay in for ev er if they wish to become recluses,i and you and im sure many others dont.I think our thoughts are becoming more to the fore, friends who were strict on the rules are getting fed up too and thinking enough is enough.

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Couldn’t agree with you more. And unfortunately as you said we are the minority and common sense seems to be in very short supply. The most scary of all is the inability of people to distinguish between fake news and reality and are incapable to process any data or vital statistics and information Rather than being told what to do and blindly following

let others stay in if they want to be recluses

What about the people who don't want to be recluses but want a low risk of death level which, due to their age or health, can only be achieved if there is a low amount of virus in circulation?

Under a just abandon lockdown approach that opportunity is denied them. A two tier society, the low risk an the high risk.

A little longer, a lower level of virus circulating, test and trace working and we can all have freedom

On another thread a virologist has warned of a second wave in 6-8 weeks time and an infection control nurse tells how this has been the worst episode in her career and that they need time to.process the horrors of what they've witnessed. For the proponents of releasing lockdown now how do you think it will affect this? How will a second wave affect the cancer referrals that you are worried about? Do you not think an exponential rise in cases caused by lifting lockdown will stop cancer treatments for a second time?

Couldn’t agree with you more. And unfortunately as you said we are the minority and common sense seems to be in very short supply. The most scary of all is the inability of people to distinguish between fake news and reality and are incapable to process any data or vital statistics and information Rather than being told what to do and blindly following

It must be nice to be so much more clever than all the scientists and medical advisors around the world and not have be a "blind follower" as you are so much better at processing statistics and information. Well done.