To think the lockdown needs to end now?

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I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

There’s a sub set of people who really really don’t care about the adverse impact lock down is having upon all sorts of people.
They either deny the impact altogether or they say the risk of COVID trumps everything.

it's like no one has ever died of anything else

The scaremongering with little or no quoted evidence from those advocating ending the lock down now far outstrips any scaremongering from those who think it's too soon

Lol! This coming from someone who on the first page of this thread literally tried to scare people that we must maintain lockdown by making an entirely fictitious claim about us ending up like Brazil with bodies piled up on the street! 😆 too much irony. You must be on a wind up

100% agree with the OP. Deaths from Covid19 that are happening now are almost being seen as worse from other deaths that will happen down the line as a result (including suicides & other extra deaths that result due to increased inequality caused by recession etc)

To paraphrase M&S there seems to be a ‘this is not just a death, this is a Covid death...” mentality.

And while no politician can say it, the current policy which in terms prioritises the lives of the elderly over younger people makes no sense, especially if you look at it in terms of ‘years left of life ’. Can anyone, hand on heart tell me that the death by Covid of a 95 year old is equally as tragic as the death of a 35 yr old who dies of a preventable cancer that wasn’t caught due to nhs funding being diverted to Covid 19?

The long term implications of these policies - not the pandemic but the measures the govt has put in place - will be felt by the current generation of children and young people to come - for decades.

yes, the way they are being interpreted or not even give or just plain made up

none have been made up, unlike the bodies in the streets comments.

That's what HTs in this county have been told to prepare for. To pretend otherwise is just silly. And the rooms being worked on are for September

where is your proof? actual real proof not seeing carpenters in a school?

Not me saying it. It's the people who know better than me or you

it is you saying it, this isnt something the government have announces, nor put in the guidance.

Not sure that makes any sense. No one thinks children's welfare doesn't matter

you said as much yesterday when you brushed off child abuse, because "most children are fine!"

Fortunately, wiser heads than yours will be making the decisions

Fortunately, the government make the decisions, not people who think they know it all and just make themselves look a bit dim.

There’s a sub set of people who really really don’t care about the adverse impact lock down is having upon all sorts of people.
They either deny the impact altogether or they say the risk of COVID trumps everything.

100% this.

@MarinePsychiatrist

The scaremongering with little or no quoted evidence from those advocating ending the lock down now far outstrips any scaremongering from those who think it's too soon

Lol! This coming from someone who on the first page of this thread literally tried to scare people that we must maintain lockdown by making an entirely fictitious claim about us ending up like Brazil with bodies piled up on the street! 😆 too much irony. You must be on a wind up

I admitted my mistake - one body. Someone said Brazil didn't have a problem. How stupid was that?

I'm not in favour of keeping the lock down indefinitely just a slow easing. Not a mad "Stop it now!" And pretending it's about the children. It isn't.

And, frankly, some of the scaremongering on this thread is far more extreme than talking about a corpse on the street for over a day.

I don't necessarily think we should be going faster than we are now but I'm not in the camp of those saying we are going too fast either as we have to start trying get back to some normality and if rate rises we then go backwards
We cannot stay on strict lockdown forever and people will have to work as without an economy there would be no nhs , my son will be going to school ( year 10 ) when we know what's going on , but he's older and understands social distancing, good handwashing etc ,
Some on here seem to want to remain locked away until a vaccine ( which may never happen ) I can understand if in shielding or older age group to want to stay in and be more cautious but for others it's time we started taking some steps , but I think we are going at a pace that is fast enough for now on what we understand

@motherofdragons have you read why the hospital is closed though ?
Not looking like it has anything to do with the community or tourists etc

where is your proof? actual real proof not seeing carpenters in a school?

I don't think the HT was lying.

you said as much yesterday when you brushed off child abuse, because "most children are fine!"

I didn't brush off child abuse. No need to lie. I said most children were fine. That's what I hear from friends and former colleagues. That isn't brushing off abuse. I agreed it did happen and said to contact SS if there were concerns.

Fortunately, the government make the decisions, not people who think they know it all and just make themselves look a bit dim.

Then maybe you should stop doing it.

And pretending it's about the children. It isn't

What the actual fuck is that supposed to mean?

Some of us DO care about our children you know. Maybe you're not concerned about yours. I am. Dont you fucking DARE tell me that i'm just somehow pretending i care to get a different point across.

@strugglingwithdeciding infection control was a big issue sure but it’s also in the community with another hospital in the county currently having the highest numbers of covid patients they’ve ever had. The pattern in Somerset means we’re around the 1 (possibly over it). I know exactly why the hospital closed and it began with a mini surge. I’m very close to this.

I care very much that both my adult children have lost their jobs

Also agree will people stop using the new normal it is a temp new normal we cannot live with social distancing forever , we would have no new generations in years to come if that was the case

I don't think the HT was lying

One school has carpenters in therefore this means the whole of england will have PT schooling come september. Righty ho.

I didn't brush off child abuse. No need to lie. I said most children were fine. That's what I hear from friends and former colleagues. That isn't brushing off abuse. I agreed it did happen and said to contact SS if there were concerns

No. That's exactly what you did. Saying most children are fine, means you accept some are not but oh never mind. Your friends and former colleagues are telling you snippits. You're not seeing their real lives. You dont know their children well enough to know whether they have been affected. This isnt just about abuse either, children are suffering. There have been MANY threads on here by worried parents because their childrens behaviour has changed, their speech has regressed, they are reluctant to learn, they are overly emotional. This does not suggest that MOST children are fine. Quite the opposite. Social services wont deal with most of these issues. There is nothing they can do.

Then maybe you should stop doing it

I dont claim to know it all, i just use my brain and look at the statistics. I am able able to consider the whole of society and the effects on that rather than only covid deaths.

@ToothFairyNemesis they won't be able to quarantine for ever in nz though who will visit
You won't choose to holiday there for 3 weeks of which 2 you need to quarantine

@TrustTheGeneGenie

And pretending it's about the children. It isn't

What the actual fuck is that supposed to mean?

Some of us DO care about our children you know. Maybe you're not concerned about yours. I am. Dont you fucking DARE tell me that i'm just somehow pretending i care to get a different point across.

I'm not the only one who thinks that some people urging opening everything right now don't actually give a damn about children but are more concerned with opening pubs and hairdressers and commerce. I hope you swear at them as well.

I'm not the only one who thinks that some people urging opening everything right now don't actually give a damn about children but are more concerned with opening pubs and hairdressers and commerce. I hope you swear at them as well

Maybe some dont, but you implied that people on this thread don't which is utter, utter bullshit.

I would swear at anyone who implied i dont give a shit about my child and its some sort of weird cover up for something else.

Thing is, people who want pubs and hairdressers open havent been openly offensive towards me.

@motherofdragons if your very close then you know about Weston hospital then and what it is also like normally
We will soon see if idiots on beach not social distancing have caused area to go up , I have no issue with going to beach but the numbers that did was stupid if it's busy turn home .
I myself went to local beach but in the evening etc , but I do. Think we need to start slowly coming out which is what we are doing , i also think more places open the more people can spread out and social distance

@motherofdragons I never said not in community but that Weston hospital seemed more than just that , hard when we don't know r rate in community compared to say a hospital

I agree OP. The Public Helath England published yesterday showed that the risk from the virus is absolutely minimal for anyone under 45, including those with underlying conditions. Out of the entire 60,000 excess deaths from the virus, only 300 are in the millions of people under 45. That risk is tiny and does not justify stopping education and the millions of young people who will be unemployed for this.

The fact that the risk is small for those under 45 doesn't mean that lcokdown can be immediately stopped. Believe it or not the under 45s don't rule the world world and people over 45 need to work and be out in society too.

My child is year 10, in a school that has done a good job with remote learning, she is a resilient, social, bright child in a supportive family.

She is NOT fine. She is very lonely, on her own 5 long days a week while DH and I go out to work. She misses her peers. She seems to have lost her confidence. Computer based home learning isn’t a medium term solution. She’ll have missed 6 months of school by September.

If she isn’t fine despite her advantages then I am under no illusion that other children with less support than her are fine. What will we do with all these children as their parents are required to return to work if schools are not fully back soon? Outside the rarefied world of mumsnet most parents both have to work.

She is NOT fine. She is very lonely, on her own 5 long days a week while DH and I go out to work. She misses her peers. She seems to have lost her confidence. Computer based home learning isn’t a medium term solution. She’ll have missed 6 months of school by September.

She doesn't need school to interact with her peers though. My children are seeing their friends now (outside with social distancing).

She doesn't need school to interact with her peers though. My children are seeing their friends now (outside with social distancing)

Let's not pretend a couple of hours in a park 2m away from 5 friends is a substitute for actual school.

but are more concerned with opening pubs and hairdressers and commerce.

I love the way you throw in ‘commerce’ likes it’s some sort of distasteful irrelevance.

I am VERY concerned about my ability to keep a roof over my child’s head. Plunging them into poverty is far more dangerous to them than Covid.

I’d be very interested to see how the public sector workers would be thinking if it was their income that was threatened. It may well be soon if we keep going like this. Plunging tax revenues is a big problem we’ll all be facing.