To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

My DD is also not fine. She's Year 5, trying her best with the (crap) homeschool arrangements - I won't rant about those here but it doesn't constitute meaningful education and I'm furious with the school- but getting more and more demotivated and miserable. She's a sociable child and she's desperately lonely: her Dad and I just aren't enough. She's one of the lucky ones; DH has time to spend with her, my job is secure and can be done from home, and we have the IT kit she needs. We're paying a tutor to give her Skype lessons. It's not enough, she needs the company of other children. The longer this goes on, the harder it's going to be for her to recover. Children have been so badly failed in this.

Children have been so badly failed in this.

Yes, totally agree.

We need to take it slowly to reduce transmission levels. If everyone who was low risk began normal life again the rate of infection will shoot up again and the at risk people will again take the brunt of the pandemic.

Sadly normality was in existence pre almost 40,000 excess deaths. 8-9,000 (ONS statistic) people daily are infected, so the disease can very rapidly get out of hand. That number has to decrease significantly.

Let's not pretend a couple of hours in a park 2m away from 5 friends is a substitute for actual school.

Where did I say it was a substitute for school. My point it that most older teenagers are seeing their friends now as they don't need schools to be open to do that.

I do see the difference between one dc happily back at school and the other not. I’d love for schools to return.

I wouldn’t end lockdown suddenly now as the op says in one go but continue to prioritise lifting restrictions with the aim to not go backwards at any point. Economy in mind get that running, children welfare in mind and back to school.

And pretending it's about the children. It isn't

And I suppose we should also stop 'pretending to care' about mental health, suicide, people being denied both essential and routine medical treatment, the elderly - many of whom are now saying they would rather be dead than live like this. We can stop 'pretending to care' about a government who is clearly determined to make the most of this whole situation so that it all works in their favour. We can stop 'pretending to care' about our homes, our income and our future.

I don't think you have the faintest idea what kind of portrait your painting of yourself with your comments. It's very clear who you care about. Don't call my concerns a fucking pretence.

@Chillipeanuts

BeijingBikini

I completely agree, lockdown is totally over for me and my family.“

Are you/your family going to refuse treatment if you contract Covid?

Me and my family are under 50, slim and healthy with plenty of vitamin D/C - so in all likelihood we won't need treatment. I'm pretty sure I've had it. But I would happily sign a waiver saying "no hospital treatment" if it meant I could go back to normal, yes.

@mrpumblechook

Let's not pretend a couple of hours in a park 2m away from 5 friends is a substitute for actual school.

Where did I say it was a substitute for school. My point it that most older teenagers are seeing their friends now as they don't need schools to be open to do that.

You inferred that it solved the problem. It does not.

And I suppose we should also stop 'pretending to care' about mental health, suicide, people being denied both essential and routine medical treatment, the elderly - many of whom are now saying they would rather be dead than live like this.

I'm not convinced that's your motivation. If it was you would realise that lockdown is not the reason for the lack of medical treatment for non-Covid conditions and would also realise that suddenly ending lockdown won't help the situation.

The government actually told hospitals to postpone everything.

Yes covid is the reason but the government made that decision. It's clear now we had enough capacity considering the nightingales weren't used. Perhaps we could have used those and continued cancer treatment.

The lockdown is definitely effecting mental health though. No denying that.

I'm not convinced that's your motivation

And? Based on your previous posts why would I have any interest in convincing you of anything?

Oh look! I can do irrelevant, dismissive posting too!

Yes covid is the reason but the government made that decision. It's clear now we had enough capacity considering the nightingales weren't used. Perhaps we could have used those and continued cancer treatment.

The government may have made the decision but is independent of lockdown and probably would have happened anyway especially as many treatments had to be suspended due to patients being put a higher risk of both being infected and death.

There is so, so much evidence out there that recession/poverty causes poor health, heart disease and lower life expectancy. There are estimates that austerity caused about 120,000 deaths and in the 7 years after the 2008 crisis, there was something like 240k preventable deaths due to cancer treatment not being funded well enough.

Over the next 10 years there will be way more deaths due to covid. Homelessness, unemployment, depression, being poorer, etc.

*way more deaths THAN due to covid

Well, interestingly it’s just been announced on BBC that in Wales schools will be opened to all age groups from the 29th of June but with only a 3rd of pupils in at a time.

That’s in fact more of a step forward than England, and people have been upholding Wales and Scotland as being far more cautious.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52895640?fbclid=IwAR3DEerBnt7DDzJif3BF8YtWDbrd2Ekmk3iftveiVYxSoLGDRN93Det63Sg

Good to see the YABU/YANBU vote is roughly 50/50

Hooray people are waking up

Absolutely dreadful what has been allowed to happen hysteria has been allowed to rule

Wales and Scotland's caution has little to do with them being more sensible and caring of their population, and much more to do with their determination to appear as independent and different to England as possible in order to further their agenda of becoming totally independent countries in their own right.

People do seem to be waking up. Thank goodness and the hysterical shrieking will be listened to less and less as time goes on. They can then continue with their miserable moaning lives.

Thanks to lockdown only 7% of the population have had it.

Many of them have had long illnesses and are not yet recovered. Just look at the Covid lungs threads here. We don’t know how many are in this category because they’ve all been left to suffer at home, without as much as a test, let alone proper medical assistance.

Excess deaths are already at 50,000. Multiply that by ten to get to 70% herd immunity and you get 500,000 deaths. Is that OK with you?

Thanks to lockdown only 7% of the population have had it

What's the evidence for that?

@EarlGreywithLemon

Thanks to lockdown only 7% of the population have had it.

Many of them have had long illnesses and are not yet recovered. Just look at the Covid lungs threads here. We don’t know how many are in this category because they’ve all been left to suffer at home, without as much as a test, let alone proper medical assistance.

Excess deaths are already at 50,000. Multiply that by ten to get to 70% herd immunity and you get 500,000 deaths. Is that OK with you?

You are taking a self-selecting sample; for every person who has horrible lung symptoms, probably 2-4 have absolutely no symptoms so wouldn't go on a forum to talk about it. Just like the only husbands you hear about on Mumsnet are cheating scumbags, whereas for each one of those there are many more nice normal ones, whose wives don't moan about them on the Internet so you never hear about them.

Those excess deaths are not deaths FROM covid - they are deaths WITH covid, some untested, some even tested negative and still got put down as covid! Plus a lot of excess deaths will have been due to lockdown, for example suicide, violence or untreated illnesses due to NHS scrapping treatment for everything bar covid.

@lockdownprincess

I honestly find threads like this truly terrifying. I will step away because I don't need the stress. But I beg you all to read some more about this disease. Please please don't be so selfish as to say you're not in the danger age bracket so it doesn't matter. Please educate yourselves about how it's spread.

I'm sorry to say this but it sounds like some of you just don't understand the gravity of the situation.

I completely agree. The stuff on here is frightening.

@EarlGreywithLemon

Thanks to lockdown only 7% of the population have had it.

Many of them have had long illnesses and are not yet recovered. Just look at the Covid lungs threads here. We don’t know how many are in this category because they’ve all been left to suffer at home, without as much as a test, let alone proper medical assistance.

Excess deaths are already at 50,000. Multiply that by ten to get to 70% herd immunity and you get 500,000 deaths. Is that OK with you?

Oh and also your logic at the end is faulty - the deaths so far would have been the weakest people who were most likely to die from it, or "low hanging fruit" as I've seen it put elsewhere. If the disease spread to everyone else, the death rate would likely be a lot lower, it's not just a simple case of multiplication.