To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

Yes. Soon I think we’ll look back on the lockdown as a knee-jerk reaction that needlessly destroyed lives and businesses.

Lockdown is kind of over anyway. The government lost some control a while ago. I certainly do as I please so fuck it all.

@lockdownprincess

This is madness. Please people just be patient. It's not a rule for the sake of it. The number of new cases is still huge everyday. Imagine a serial killer on the loose in your area but you don't know where - they've killed thousands but you know for certain they will still kill more. Would you still want to chance it?

I struggle to understand how it is the lockdown sceptics that are met with such scorn and derision and censorship.

@Hopoindown31,
Yes of course they have the option to leave, unfortunately when they leave their risk of being killed increases. I fundamentally believe domestic violence was tragically underfunded for years before Covid.
The charity I volunteer for has offered zoom, and phone call sessions. Only 8 people have taken us up on that and they are all free from their abuser. The ones most at risk cannot access support their calls are often monitored. Their daily lives are monitored.
So yes lots of adverts out there for how to get help, but if you think it is as easy as packing a bag and leaving, that’s sadly so far from the truth.

It’s definitely the covid health service now, I work in community nursing and am so sick and tired of it all, I’m in Scotland in an area with, thankfully, very few cases/deaths yet we are still only seeing essential people, trying to see a gp is like hens teeth, I am so fatigued and I used to love my job

Honest opinion? If it wasn’t for 24 hour rolling news and constant social media we would never have entered lockdown, we would have been aware of the virus but not to the scare/doom mongering extent we are now

Honestly feel like I’m in a Margaret Atwood novel, I’ll be in a red dress by the end of the year 😏 I joke

Yes it needs end now and let us have our lives back. The hysteria needs to stop. Now

@TrustTheGeneGenie

I saw loads of adverts about support for abuse victims and there were thing such as free train travel put in place. Yes, it was far from ideal but they were thought about

Ah yes adverts and free travel. So easy to leave domestic abuse because of adverts ffs.

During the usual times you'll often see suggestions on MN that a woman would have 4 or 5 or 6 children against her will owing to coercive reproduction, so it's unreasonable to put any limits on child-related benefits.

Now, on lockdown, it seems a woman in a coercive relationship would illegally leave her house with her children, go to a train station and explain to the patrolling security forces that they are fleeing an abusive relationship.

Neil Ferguson has a face I'd never tire of punching. www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=153&v=jsMmTuVqyYQ&feature=emb_logo

@Hopoindown31

Boudicca that is so unbelievably sad. Nobody though twice about domestic violence victims when they locked us all down. Another example of the cure being worse than the illness.

Except people did and the scientific and medical advisers were clear throughout that escaping abusive situations was a legitimate reason to leave home. I saw loads of adverts about support for abuse victims and there were thing such as free train travel put in place. Yes, it was far from ideal but they were thought about.

Please remember that even with lockdown almost 60,000 people have died from Covid. Action needed to be taken.

With covid, not from Covid. Lots of people dead "from covid" hadn't even tested positive...

@attackedbycritters

Tiny minority might be a fact but when it is people you are talking about it is callous

If the virus runs through society, everyone will know several people who die, many will lose their family

If the virus runs through society, the additional deaths caused by NHS overload could well be even greater than direct covid deaths

No, it isn't callous it is just stating a fact. I could use the phrase 'vanishingly small percentage' and that wouldn't be callous either, just the facts. Unless you want to create whole new words that somehow semantically combine sentiment with factual accuracy. Changing the semantics doesn't change the facts.

I nipped out in the middle of this thread and was listening to a podcast as I walked.

Unsurprisingly, it was about coronavirus. What else is there, eh?

It featured a pathologist who was bemused at this trend towards the shaming of statistical analysis as 'callous'; he reckons it's was a kind of anti-science in that it invites a departure from the long-standing way in which scientists convey information soberly/objectively.

It should have ended 4 weeks ago. How it’s dragging on is utterly ridiculous. People should make their own risk assessment based on their own personal circumstances instead of a blanket lockdown.

The majority of the population would be mildly effected by coronavirus so why is the entire population locked down?

The economy is fucked, we’ve spent 20% of the year In lockdown, so many businesses will never recover from being forced to close. This is going to devastate livelihoods. But yes let’s continue spouting the save lives protect the nhs bullshit. I’m glad to see the population slowly awakening from its corona brainwashing but it’s too slow for my liking.

Well we will continue to disagree

I don't think you should deal in numbers without understanding what the numbers represent. That's knowing facts without having any knowledge.

So as an example, a 1% salary decrease, not so significant compared to a 1% chance of dying

It is then callous to talk about the hundreds (thousands?) Of people that will die from cancer that has been left untreated? Heart attacks? Other preventable things that had the NHS been treating might not have happened?

Or do they not matter?

Because I care about their lives just as much as I care about people with covid.

Nobody WANTS anyone to die. I certainly don't. I just feel like we're saving one lot of lives and sacrificing another.

I am sick of lockdown now. We have ruined our economy and the mental health of so many people, not to mention the effect on children. I come come from a country with 26,000 cases and 1400 deaths. The majority of these deaths are males aged 82 and females aged 84. The rest have underlying health problems. I don't know anybody who knows a person that has died from Corona and I live in a capital city. We have shut the country down so as 80 years can die. Its a joke.

So as an example, a 1% salary decrease, not so significant compared to a 1% chance of dying

Eh the two aren't really comparable?

And yes, many of the people who have died of covid19 have not been tested or even seen to by a qualified medical doctor. This may have been the assessment of relatively unskilled care home employee who has been instructed to avoid understating coronavirus deaths on the basis that this can kill people or some such nonsense.

It has actually become a point of pride for Belgium that they are purposefully erring on the side of overstating coronavirus deaths, because this is apparently what good, caring, and thoughtful people do - they overstate coronavirus deaths.

Demanding precision is fake news.

@attackedbycritters

Well we will continue to disagree

I don't think you should deal in numbers without understanding what the numbers represent. That's knowing facts without having any knowledge.

So as an example, a 1% salary decrease, not so significant compared to a 1% chance of dying

I would love to know exactly what you mean by this.

The serial killer analogy is just vapid. If I knew the serial killer rarely if ever targeted my personal demographic and the worst I could expect from coming into contact with them was a mild cold then I would care fuckall about whether they were in my neighborhood or not.

@Boudicabooandbulldogs My son has autism too and I was saying just today how awful it is that children with special needs aren’t getting the therapy they need because of lockdown. Thank God my son is older now and he no longer needs one-to-one therapy but a few years ago he was getting 15 hours a week. That made all the difference to him and if he couldn’t have had that at such a crucial age because of this lockdown then I believe it would have had a massive impact on his development and I would have been distraught. WHY are our children being sacrificed like this?

Just to be clear, I think a cancer death is just as significant as a covid death

We can't wish covid away.

If we are careful we can limit both types of death.

We were not careful in February, so now we have covid deaths and excess cancer deaths l

Now it seems people somehow want to wave a magic wand ?

or perhaps kill covid victims really quickly so they can go back to treating cancer patients ?. In that case, why is a covid life less valid than a cancer life?

Or am I missing something? Do people still think we can function as a society and some protect all the vulnerable ?

If we are careful we can limit both types of death

How's that then? Because a lot of NHS trusts have stopped cancer treatment. Some are re starting thank fuck. Some never stopped.

But on the whole unless you've got covid you've got very little chance of seeing a doctor any time soon. This is not what the NHS is for.

The number of new cases is still huge everyday
Hyperbolic nonsense! 164 today, 1 in Scotland. Please explain, out of a population of 60 million, how on earth that amount of cases can be described as huge?!

@MarginalGain

I nipped out in the middle of this thread and was listening to a podcast as I walked.

Unsurprisingly, it was about coronavirus. What else is there, eh?

It featured a pathologist who was bemused at this trend towards the shaming of statistical analysis as 'callous'; he reckons it's was a kind of anti-science in that it invites a departure from the long-standing way in which scientists convey information soberly/objectively.

Absolutely. And adding to the problem is that the majority of people decrying statistical analysis as callous won't have a clue about the difference between objective and subjective.

FourTeaFallOut

Sweden 443 deaths per million of population Vs Norway 44.”

Precisely this. Don't understand at all why this Sweden myth is still being wheeled out. The country is faring very badly compared to its neighbours.

I agree with you. It’s continuing to implement new world order. It’s always been about control and not a virus .