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To think the lockdown needs to end now?

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Fr0thandBubble · 02/06/2020 15:17

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

OP posts:
MintyMabel · 02/06/2020 19:11

They're not as mindlessly self absorbed and entitled as many Brits.

They really are. More so in my experience.

Littlemeadow123 · 02/06/2020 19:12

Sweden is having massive issues because they didn't have lockdown.

What do you think will happen if everyone goes stampeded back to work, school, shops, cafes, pubs etc? We could quite well end up having another extended period of lockdown, which will badly impact the economy far more than a gradual lifting of lockdown.

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Fr0thandBubble · 02/06/2020 19:13

@Rhianna1980

You said:

“May I ask you what civil liberties have they taken from you?
Are you missing being dictated by your boss or another set of rules where you have to report to work by 9am after being stuck in traffic for god knows how long - eat at 12- sign out at 5pm? Monday to Friday . Dress code etc- Taking permission to have a day to tend to a poorly child or a holiday.”

The civil liberties I miss are going where I want, when I want and seeing who I want. The right for my children to have an education and the right to healthcare and dental care (all of those things that I pay for with my taxes).

I choose to have a job. I’m still doing that job by the way, and it’s an incredibly difficult job to do on a laptop from home at the same time as trying to homeschool 2 young children. I wish my job was 9-5 - it’s 9-9 on a normal day (that was before the lockdown and now everything is taking at least 25% longer than it did).

It sounds like you are having a lovely time not having to work; a lot of us are still working and thank God for that - not just for us and our families but because someone’s got to pay for this shit show.

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MH1111 · 02/06/2020 19:18

Those supporting longer, stricter, lockdown or a second lockdown. Would you be happy to do this without furlough/self employment support from the government so we can still pay for the NHS?

Ladywinesalot · 02/06/2020 19:24

Agree OP

ThePianist38 · 02/06/2020 19:25

Totally agree , I’m not to bothered about” civil liberties” but if you’re ok to hang around the park with 6 of your mates drinking beer, you should be ok to go back to work. It hadn’t even been a lockdown as such to start with, but now is just a never ending holiday , killing many businesses in the process

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/06/2020 19:26

I expect in the inquiry that will follow, we will understand that locking down has/will cost a 100,000+ lives

You must be joking - I wouldn't argue with the principle, but if this is so, do you honestly think we'll ever hear about it?

That would involve the government admitting that they'd got it wrong; I suppose they could always say "we were following the science", but I wouldn't hold your breath

BamboozledandBefuddled · 02/06/2020 19:27

but now you are complaining about a soft lock down that is trying to protect you but it actually gave you more free time than ever to do things

That might be the case on whatever planet you're on but many of us are living in the real world.

CoachBombay · 02/06/2020 19:27

I think those crying for elongated lock down, should be made to do so with UC credit level support, also any co-habiting couples should be made to seperate.

Let them live lonely lives, with hardly any money, or if they want to work they can choose to and be paid to risk catching covid, but no mixing with friends and family that's too dangerous.

Bollss · 02/06/2020 19:29

@CoachBombay don't forget not a job that can be worked from home and they need 2 a school age children to juggle as well!

CoachBombay · 02/06/2020 19:32

Yes Trust!!

They wouldn't last a week let alone 10! They've been safe in their suburbia house, the classic 2.4 children and a spouse, on WFH jobs or one SAHP one working.

They've no idea how the other half lives.

lockdownprincess · 02/06/2020 19:37

This is madness. Please people just be patient. It's not a rule for the sake of it. The number of new cases is still huge everyday. Imagine a serial
killer on the loose in your area but you don't know where - they've killed thousands but you know for certain they will still kill more. Would you still want to chance it?

SidSparrow · 02/06/2020 19:37

YES OP

I'm not reading the whole thread because there have been similar ones already. But yes, I agree with you entirely. I have been of this opinion from the beginning!

It's totally bonkers, and extremely worrying. I keep hoping that by Christmas it's all a distant memory, and I do believe most folks will get on with it, but there will be the odd few still going about in masks and gloves... A bit like the woman I seen today - mask and gloves, masked pulled down to itch her top lip, then mask fixed back up again Hmm

GalesThisMorning · 02/06/2020 19:38

12 pages?? Another one of these threads?? Its just going round and round in circles now folks

Boudicabooandbulldogs · 02/06/2020 19:41

I agree OP, I didn’t think lockdown was the best option but thought that on the advice given to protect the NHS and stop the scenes we saw in Bergamo it was acceptable. However the rules keep changing, rules no one was given a choice about. The review dates have got longer although it hasn’t had much public acknowledgement.
I agree re children. My son is loved and cared for, however he has autism. His college and support groups are closed. No help no normal. He is so very stressed and went the first 3 weeks without eating.
I also volunteer at an abuse charity 4 of our clients have been killed during lockdown. 4 in a small town. We normally see 2/5 deaths a year.
@Rhianna1980, the civil liberties....my son being able to see his grandmother. Me being able to see my daughter, My son getting the support he needs, women not being locked in a house with an abuser. Being able to go to work at a job I love, working with cancer patients. Those are a few I have lost although I could list more.

Inkpaperstars · 02/06/2020 19:42

Imagine a serial killer on the loose in your area but you don't know where - they've killed thousands but you know for certain they will still kill more. Would you still want to chance it?

I have seen posters on here say that covid is not a killer virus, because some people who get it don't die as a result. So I guess their question about the serial killer would be...did any of the previous victims escape?

Hopoindown31 · 02/06/2020 19:43

I agree with you OP. I’m in Scotland. currently if I work in a garden centre or MacDonalds, serving hundreds of people in close contact all day, I can go back to work.
If I work in an office of 3 people with desks more than 2m apart, I can’t and have to try and work from home in a small flat with a husband, a teenager and an adult dd with mental health problems. It has gone beyond the need for lockdown to protect the NHS, into hysteria and control. Enough.

You make it sound like it is the government stopping you from going back to work in your office when it is, in fact, your employer. If you are struggling the speak to your manager rather than trying to blame the wrong people.

SidSparrow · 02/06/2020 19:43

@GalesThisMorning

That's people's lightbulbs are pinging on all over the place and people are pretty vexed about it.

olivehater · 02/06/2020 19:45

Boudicca that is so unbelievably sad. Nobody though twice about domestic violence victims when they locked us all down. Another example of the cure being worse than the illness.

Hopoindown31 · 02/06/2020 19:45

I agree OP, I didn’t think lockdown was the best option

What was the best option?

Countries that enacted lockdown quickly and effectively saved lives and are now able to ease restrictions with very low infection rates. What exactly would you have done without lockdown to achieve the same results?

Bollss · 02/06/2020 19:46

The number of new cases is still huge everyday. Imagine a serial
killer on the loose in your area but you don't know where - they've killed thousands but you know for certain they will still kill more. Would you still want to chance it?

If I knew they only killed 5% or whatever of victims and didn't generally target my age group.. yeah I'd probably still go to work.

MarginalGain · 02/06/2020 19:48

@Rhianna1980

May I ask you what civil liberties have they taken from you? Are you missing being dictated by your boss or another set of rules where you have to report to work by 9am after being stuck in traffic for god knows how long - eat at 12- sign out at 5pm? Monday to Friday . Dress code etc- Taking permission to have a day to tend to a poorly child or a holiday. We all follow all sorts of rules everyday that we never question but now you are complaining about a soft lock down that is trying to protect you but it actually gave you more free time than ever to do things but that it’s awful and taking your liberties away?!

You are beyond unreasonable.
Seriously speaking this is first world problems of the first degree.

Let me guess, you're just 'following the science'.
CoachBombay · 02/06/2020 19:49

Yes I would take my chances with a serial killer that didn't particularly kill in my age group. 🤦🏻‍♀️😂

Stupid analogy 🙄

Hopoindown31 · 02/06/2020 19:49

Boudicca that is so unbelievably sad. Nobody though twice about domestic violence victims when they locked us all down. Another example of the cure being worse than the illness.

Except people did and the scientific and medical advisers were clear throughout that escaping abusive situations was a legitimate reason to leave home. I saw loads of adverts about support for abuse victims and there were thing such as free train travel put in place. Yes, it was far from ideal but they were thought about.

Please remember that even with lockdown almost 60,000 people have died from Covid. Action needed to be taken.

Bollss · 02/06/2020 19:51

I saw loads of adverts about support for abuse victims and there were thing such as free train travel put in place. Yes, it was far from ideal but they were thought about

Ah yes adverts and free travel. So easy to leave domestic abuse because of adverts ffs.