To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

I agree with you. It’s continuing to implement new world order. It’s always been about control and not a virus .

Vallance said they believe there to be around 8k ish new infections each day at the moment and that they are capturing about 2k of them in the form of positive coronavirus tests.

@attackedbycritters

Just to be clear, I think a cancer death is just as significant as a covid death

We can't wish covid away.

If we are careful we can limit both types of death.

We were not careful in February, so now we have covid deaths and excess cancer deaths l

Now it seems people somehow want to wave a magic wand ?

or perhaps kill covid victims really quickly so they can go back to treating cancer patients ?. In that case, why is a covid life less valid than a cancer life?

Or am I missing something? Do people still think we can function as a society and some protect all the vulnerable ?

My estimation is that hypothetical covid19 victims are both fewer than we imagine (I would guess most of them have already died); and also far more vulnerable than we imagine. They are a tiny distillation of the 1.5 million or so who have received shielding letters.

If they outlive coronavirus, they will probably die from the next virulent strain of influenza that sweeps the UK.

If you closely examine the data of those who have already died and shut out the outliers (which you should) - it would be hard to arrive at a different conclusion.

Here come the tin foil hats
2 people that I knew very well are dead.
Get lost with your stupid conspiracy theories.

I was incredibly lucky that my cancer surgery was scheduled just before lockdown, and that my hospital was prepared to give me radiotherapy during lockdown.

Many of the people on the cancer forums I'm on haven't been as lucky. Their treatment has now been postponed for nearly 3 months and all the while their cancer is growing. So many are women in their thirties and forties still with young children. They have been thrown under the Covid bus in order to reduce the amount of very elderly people dying.

I completely agree OP.
Tomorrow we find out whether the restaurant that me and dh work at will open in July or if we have both lost our jobs. We have worked our way up in that company over the years and are both on a decent wage, if we lose our jobs then the only things we can get at the moment are minimum wage warehouse jobs, that's all that is available for us (we've looked). Plus we have 2 young children and no childcare for the foreseeable future so how we are both going to work around that I have no idea. We will lose everything we have worked for all our adult lives. Add to that our 4yo DD's confidence has plummeted since lockdown began and her school aren't opening, she is like a different child and it breaks my heart.
Tonight I just want to scream at the top of my lungs, but I'll probably just cry instead. I feel like my life is crumbling around me.

Of course the government need to put the economy first, millions of peoples lives depend on it.

2.2 million people have been asked to shield.

The thing is, eventually people are just going to have to determine their own risks and what they’re happy to expose themselves to. People might be ok to go to the shops, but not happy to go and sit in a football stadium. Or others might not want to/feel able to leave the house for leisure at all. But fairly soon the majority of things will be opened up again and it will be down to the individual. This wishy-washy half lockdown is not doing us many favours. I’ve stuck more or less to lockdown so far, and I’m so mightily fed up of it. I’ll complain about it but it doesn’t mean I’ll abandon all of the guidance. I’m not about to rush to ikea but I understand the impulse. My MH is suffering and I’m desperately worried about the kids missing so much school and I genuinely think at some point soon we’re just going to have to get on with it as best we can and figure out how to incorporate this virus into our everyday lives without locking ourselves away until a magic vaccine is produced.

@MynephewR I’m really hoping for the best news for you tomorrow I can’t believe how much the average Joe on the street has been asked to sacrifice for this utter shit show!

@MynephewR hope you get good news

My mum’s ongoing cancer management has been cancelled for the last two months. She’s been left out on a limb by the various clinics she needs to attend to help her live with the effects of it.

One of my oldest friends was in the middle of cervical cancer treatment. She is otherwise young and has many years left to give as well as two children. An operation set for April was cancelled. She was admitted as an emergency at the end of last week and given the operation she should have had in April. What damage was done in that time?

I am waiting for a scan to check for parotid cancer. The left side of my face is getting bigger by the day.

I agree OP. It’s time to start cutting the grass, empty the bins, stop the queues, get back to school, reactivate the appointment systems. Get our world moving again.

There are a lot of things that could kill you at any moment. I will take my chances with coronavirus.

Cummings-Johnson wasted two weeks while sensible countries were locking down or at least mandating social distancing. At the beginning of March while Ireland, to take a close neighbour, was mandating strict social distancing, Johnson and Team GB were allesrig on radio and Morning TV, extolling the virtues of social distancing and “Taking it on the chin”. Today Ireland had 4 new cases, the UK 1600+ and 50,000+ death toll, virtually the highest in the world. Those two wasted weeks at the beginning of March probably cost tens of thousands of lives, as the virus doubled and doubled again. Well done Cummings-Johnson you utter psychopaths.

@phoebesphalange it is so wrong that cancer sufferers have been abandoned like this. Covid or stage 3 breast cancer? I know which one I would much prefer.

Sorry, typed it wrong - extolling the virtues of “herd immunity” on radio and Morning TV, not social distancing. Social distancing was only for those foreigners, or no sorry for Britain “at the right moment” when the virus had already got a nice good foothold in the country. All Makes perfect sense - if you are aiming for the highest death toll relative to population in the world.

If the virus o Lu impacted you then yes, you should have the right to choose and take the risk. It doesn't. It's because you can infect others, that's why all this was done.

@VideographybyLouBloom and @TrustTheGeneGenie thank you, we've got everything crossed.

The worst thing is that we are by no means the only people who's lives are crumbling because of this lockdown. I can't help thinking about people who have put blood, sweat, tears and everything they have into their business that will go under. Then there is the people who are suffering with abuse, kids suffering with neglect. And let's not forget those who are missing life saving treatment. Its just awful. I don't understand why covid is the only thing that matters at the moment. It's madness.

@Mrskeats

Here come the tin foil hats 2 people that I knew very well are dead. Get lost with your stupid conspiracy theories.

You have my sympathies

One of my brothers has been struck by lightning and a guy I used to work with won the jackpot on the lottery. The fact that I happen to know two people that these things have happened does not increase the likelihood of them happening.

90% of the people who have died with Covid are aged 65. In the meantime my son is now unemployed having lost the job of his dreams, my daughter is furloughed but not positive above the future as she worked in a hospitality and events. One of nieces is cabin crew for Virgin - she had to take 8?weeks unpaid leave and is not expecting to have a job soon. Another niece is cabin crew for BA and is likely to be made redundant. One of my nephews has just finished his university course. All of these young adults in their 20s ruined and their futures damaged, perhaps beyond repair. For what????

And my mother in law terminal cancer but we can’t go to visit. Because Covid.

It's because you can infect others

I don't particularly want to get within 2m if anyone who isn't my closest friends or family.

How can I infect people if they social distance? Honestly?

Social distancing is needed, I agree. But I think things should be able to re open.

It baffles me why we aren't ploughing funds into looking at whether children do transmit it. Because if they don't schools could open safely. We will have needlessly punished out children for months.

@peaceanddove yes.. it has seemed to me a lot of people extremely terrified by COVID are people who have not really experienced ill health in their lives.

I had a woman tell me the most awful thing about having the virus was losing her sense of taste and smell for about a month:

I didn’t say it, but my mum has tongue and tonsil cancer. she’s lost a third of her tongue so far, possibly more to follow.

The radiation put paid to any sense of taste or smell for the rest of her life. And she also struggles to speak, eat, swallow her own saliva, she lost most of her teeth and needed a bone graft to stop her jaw crumbling from the aggressive treatment.

People with long term, disabling, disfiguring and progressive illnesses still exist in this world and right now they are last in the queue for getting access to the services and facilities they need to have a quality of life.

It is madness. And it has been whipped into madness by the media. If Covid had happened 50 years ago it would just have gone down in the history books as an especially bad year for the 'flu and respiratory diseases. That's all. No lockdown and no pandemic and no media generated frenzy.

[quote phoebesphalange]@peaceanddove yes.. it has seemed to me a lot of people extremely terrified by COVID are people who have not really experienced ill health in their lives.

I had a woman tell me the most awful thing about having the virus was losing her sense of taste and smell for about a month:

I didn’t say it, but my mum has tongue and tonsil cancer. she’s lost a third of her tongue so far, possibly more to follow.

The radiation put paid to any sense of taste or smell for the rest of her life. And she also struggles to speak, eat, swallow her own saliva, she lost most of her teeth and needed a bone graft to stop her jaw crumbling from the aggressive treatment.

People with long term, disabling, disfiguring and progressive illnesses still exist in this world and right now they are last in the queue for getting access to the services and facilities they need to have a quality of life.[/quote]
I am so sorry for your Mum

And yesss I do think that a lot of people terrified of Covid have never actually had a genuinely terrifying health scare. I honestly believe that a lot of people actually derive a perverse and vicarious pleasure from all the Covid drama.

Agree peaceandove

I'm with you on this OP. Everyone I know in RL seems to feel the same.

@Fr0thandBubble,
Yes it’s awful we are lucky in that I have been furloughed so can devote 24/7 to my son. I know a few of his friends are not so lucky and their families are struggling.
I want to go back to work but can’t until his college opens as no childminder will take a young adult. So even when my work reopen I can’t go back until at the very earliest September. I know so many cancer patients who need counselling, especially the terminal ones. It’s beyond unfair what has happened to the cancer patients. I know of a mum with breast cancer who has 2 young sons. They can’t have counselling because of Covid. It’s truly upsetting. We have to have a balance at some point.

And yesss I do think that a lot of people terrified of Covid have never actually had a genuinely terrifying health scare

Agree. It annoys me the "what if there's lasting side effects"

Well there might be. I got glandular fever as a teenager. I have liver damage from it.

Lots of things can give you lasting damage. None of them nice. Life would be fab if we could eradicate them but its impossible.

This will be the same. An extra risk.