To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

All their staff and wards became covid ward

Seemed it wasn't needed in the end though!

Why have we all got the impression that the Swedish are almost saintly in comparison to us?

My husband is an NHS consultant and has worked throughout the lockdown. He is also in the vulnerable group but realistically had no choice but to carry on.

The single saving grace was how quiet public transport was. We have two nhs friends and colleagues who have died due to being on the front line.

If our lockdown was earlier and better enforced we might be in a much better position today. There were endless threads here with people looking for loopholes as to why the rules didn't apply to them.

The numbers our country is showing now doesn't warrant lifting the lockdown as far as we have.

Why have we all got the impression that the Swedish are almost saintly in comparison to us?

It's because we're British and we have to resume self-flagination whenever someone mentions another country, with the exception of America. It's the law now.

Agree OP

I agree completely - enough already!

It's because we're British and we have to resume self-flagination whenever someone mentions another country, with the exception of America. It's the law now.
So true!!

May I ask you what civil liberties have they taken from you?
Are you missing being dictated by your boss or another set of rules where you have to report to work by 9am after being stuck in traffic for god knows how long - eat at 12- sign out at 5pm? Monday to Friday . Dress code etc- Taking permission to have a day to tend to a poorly child or a holiday.
We all follow all sorts of rules everyday that we never question but now you are complaining about a soft lock down that is trying to protect you but it actually gave you more free time than ever to do things but that it’s awful and taking your liberties away?!

You are beyond unreasonable.
Seriously speaking this is first world problems of the first degree.

I agree it needs to end, but all the "I'm alright jack" people shout for it to continue, but they won't admit they are alright, they will tell how painful and self sacrificing it has been.

Never trust anyone who proposes a simple solution to a complex problem.

We seem to be in free fall now with minister easing lockdown willy nilly to please the Tory donors pissed off about the amount of political capital Boris has wasted on big Dom. We've chucked out the lockdown levels and their associated actions and minister are just making up numbers like no tomorrow despite being continuing bollocked by the people they pay to tell them how to use numbers properly.

We are not behaving like any of the countries that have successfully protected their populations against this virus. We locked down late, we have one of the worst death tolls, we are easing off early against scientific advice whilst the daily death toll is till above 100 and we have a large part of the population that couldn't give a toss about any rules now anyway.

This has been a massive failure for this government and I hope that the historians give them no quarter.

100% agree with you

@rhianna1980

Maybe your life was particularly shit pre lockdown but I actually really miss my life.

Ps not everyone has more free time.

We can’t stay like this forever.
It baffles me when people say this. I haven't heard one person say that we should, online or in RL. It's Iike some people think it needs to be no lockdown or lockdown forever.

I sympathise enormously with the predicament of the shielded, but it is not all about them.

With respect, you could say that about any group.

@Rhianna1980

May I ask you what civil liberties have they taken from you? Are you missing being dictated by your boss or another set of rules where you have to report to work by 9am after being stuck in traffic for god knows how long - eat at 12- sign out at 5pm? Monday to Friday . Dress code etc- Taking permission to have a day to tend to a poorly child or a holiday. We all follow all sorts of rules everyday that we never question but now you are complaining about a soft lock down that is trying to protect you but it actually gave you more free time than ever to do things but that it’s awful and taking your liberties away?!

You are beyond unreasonable.
Seriously speaking this is first world problems of the first degree.

That comparison's a load of rubbish. You can choose what job I do (or not to do one at all and just to forage in a forest) and you agree to the rules when you sign the contract. I didn't agree to any of these lockdown rules and to half of society being shut down, they got forced on all of us whether we wanted it or not.

Couldn't agree more, OP 👏

*you can choose what job to do

Two people in my life have died.
The op is ridiculous.

I’m just living my normal life op. The only thing I’m doing is keeping 2m from strangers in shops etc but if someone came close to me I wouldn’t be bothered at all.

I reiterate with ssd I am afraid.

I agree with you OP.

Dear OP, head over to some sites discussing the current figures.
Look up the meaning of “pandemic”

Then come back and see if you feel like starting this thread.

Couldn’t agree more OP. In fact I have never believed we should have locked down in the first place, sensible social distancing measures were all that needed.
There’s not one shred of evidence that locking down has worked.

Further, I expect in the inquiry that will follow, we will understand that locking down has/will cost a 100,000+ lives

I agree with you OP. I’m in Scotland. currently if I work in a garden centre or MacDonalds, serving hundreds of people in close contact all day, I can go back to work.
If I work in an office of 3 people with desks more than 2m apart, I can’t and have to try and work from home in a small flat with a husband, a teenager and an adult dd with mental health problems. It has gone beyond the need for lockdown to protect the NHS, into hysteria and control. Enough.

OP, just a few questions..

Do you agree that some precautions need to be taken to try and avoid a situation where the infection rate is growing exponentially again, or would you prefer to see exponential growth rather than any continuing measures? Or alternatively perhaps you think none of the measures we have or might use will influence that anyway.

What exactly do you mean by 'lockdown'?

When you say the vulnerable should be allowed to shelter, who do you mean?

You speak about the profile of those dying, I think the article linked below would be interesting on that point. In addition to the deaths though, what about the people of various ages and states of health who are being left with long term and possibly permanent disability? Do you have any data on that so far? I don't, I guess it is too early for much to emerge but reports from medics suggest a serious issue. Many who do not die are not recovering fully either.

www.theactuary.com/features/2020/05/07/co-morbidity-question