To anyone who counteracts with ‘All Lives Matter’..

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And are against any protesting and this not being ‘your problem’ because you are white/in the UK etc. - please watch this
www.instagram.com/tv/CAtRsHjJtgg/?igshid=zsymfn3661c2

I hate the "I don't see colour". I do see colour, I am not blind, however the colour of a person's skin, does not influence the way I treat them.

Actually on that point can I ask, is it offensive to refer to someone by the colour of their skin, for example when describing them?

@chergar

Actually on that point can I ask, is it offensive to refer to someone by the colour of their skin, for example when describing them?

Unless you’re describe a suspect to the police for example I’m confused as to why you need to refer to someone by the colour of their skin. Would you say “Oh, you know Dave?” Or would you say “Oh, you know Dave, the white guy?”

Essentially ask yourself if you use skin colour to describe people who have the same ethicity as you. If the answer is no, then its odd to use skin colour for different ethnicities. I have been describe as “SimonJT, you know, the Asian” in previous job, they only knew I had heard them when I made sure the next day to aay “Steve, you know, the white guy”. It highlighted to them what they were doing.

Saying something like “Dave is subjected to racism becauses hes black” is a completely different situation.

Thanks @SimonJT I was thinking along the lines if I was describing someone like "yeah we met her at the party, blonde hair, taller than me, wears floaty skirts" kinda thing, would it be acceptable to say black/Asian or whatever or should it be avoided?

Also I know I sound really ignorant here but what would the correct term be is it black/Asian/person of colour is POC used in an Asian context?

@chergar

Thanks *@SimonJT* I was thinking along the lines if I was describing someone like "yeah we met her at the party, blonde hair, taller than me, wears floaty skirts" kinda thing, would it be acceptable to say black/Asian or whatever or should it be avoided?

Also I know I sound really ignorant here but what would the correct term be is it black/Asian/person of colour is POC used in an Asian context?

Are you white? Most MNers are due to it being a UK site, so I’m guessing you are, apologies if I am wrong. Well if she has blond hair she is probably white, would you include her whiteness in your description?

Asian people aren’t black if you’re referring to people who are ethnically asian rather than someone who is black and lives in an Asian country in an Asian context.

Would you say “Oh, you know Dave?” Or would you say “Oh, you know Dave, the white guy?”

For me that would mainly depend on how many Daves there were available. If there's only one then the reference to skin colour isn't really necessary, and it primes racist cultural stereotypes in the listener's head whether the listener's racist or not.

If we're in a multi-Dave situation though, then it's unavoidable that they're each going be referred to by their most obvious unique-within-the-group feature. But as before, if you mention Dave's skin colour you're opening him up to unconscious bias, so anyone who gives a shit about Dave would do well to find an identifying feature with less baggage attached.

Thanks @SimonJT and I apologise if my post came across as offensive, I certainly didn't mean to cause any offence. I am white and tbh I think I get myself tied up in knots worried about offending people that I overthink what I want to say. I don't mean to make this about me but from my perspective, going back to white privilege etc I would hate for people to think I was uncaring, dismissive or offensive due to my lack of knowledge.

If describing another white person I might say really pale, tanned, freckly or whatever as that describes their appearance, I wouldn't be trying to describe their ethnicity at all.

Just reading through this thread, and seeing Trump doing the ‘okay’ hand gesture, after learning its new meaning, as given me the chills. Is he doing it out of habit, having been brought up using it with the old meaning, or is he deliberately expressing racism, but in a subtle way. Hopefully, he is just an old fogey using old gestures out of habit... .

Of course all lives matter. I get that this is a pretty flippant response. It isn’t white folk or Asian folk being killed during arrests for either petty crimes or indeed no crime at all, as it turns out. The death of George Floyd was completely unnecessary, to judge from media reports. I mean he was unarmed, handcuffed and on the ground. He had three police kneeling on him, including the one on his neck. Over a dodgy $20 note.

The all houses matter analogy is good.

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Thanks for the two videos
Very powerful both

I think white people need to step up

When I hear racist language challenge it There and then
Discuss the issue more widely Within business context
Educate our kids , this is the BIG one
If anyone can fix this it’s the next generation

This has started to make the rounds

I mean wtf do you even say to this?!!

Luckily, I wasn’t the only one who wasn’t happy about a friend posting this

I was the 3rd to comment.

Well...either she didn’t like the replies or she saw what everyone was saying as she deleted the post

more like she didn’t like the replies as she’s a big “Britain’s first” person

WTF @Soubriquet that’s fucking awful!!? What’s the matter with some people!?

They can’t see the forest for the trees and trying to use bs examples to prove a failed point. A protest isn’t exactly needed when justice was served. The men involved were tried, found guilty and imprisoned. They also weren’t police officers who are and should be held to a higher standard. One was only “arrested” while the others are still free and haven’t been arrested again despite them being involved.

Not just fucking awful but also an outright lie. There was plenty of outrage at the time, as I recall.

The only posts I've seen on fb about English versions of the racist-police wossname recently are about Christopher Alder. Five officers charged with his manslaughter, all acquitted by the judge.

Yeah the three of us all said along the same lines

There was outrage. They were arrested and it wasn’t a police officer who murdered him

I am mixed race, white and West Indian. This is very sad and an indictment of failures in American civil society.

This is not replicated in the UK.

Yes we have our problems, but I love this country and I don’t think it is racist by and large.

I also think all lives matter - young working class boys have it much worse IMHO.