To anyone who counteracts with ‘All Lives Matter’..

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And are against any protesting and this not being ‘your problem’ because you are white/in the UK etc. - please watch this
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YADNBU My absolute pet hate for the last decade has been the “not all men” response when talking about feminism and women’s issues - violence, sexual abuse from men etc etc. It absolutely boils my blood when someone pipes up with their fucking irrelevant stating the obvious contribution which actually means nothing.

The all lives matter bullshit is even more fucking stupid than “not all men” - AGHHHHHHH MAKES ME WANT TO SMASH SHIT UP TOO

I’m kinda waiting for someone to say it to me in real life so I can release some pent up lockdown rage.

A friend posted some shit on fb earlier which was effectively the same thing without using the words, really wanted to rip her a new one but she’s heavily pregnant and not the brightest, so I just strolled on silently fuming

I don't think pitching white against black is in any way helpful.

Nobody here is doing that.

The words of Jane Elliott are as powerful as the IG videos:

Won't watch the video as from what I've heard from my 17 year old it's distressing
But I'm sorry I don't agree with some of what's going on in retaliation and I really don't think it helps the cause as such and takes away from those trying to raise the matter sensibly ans get things dealt with

How many more black people should be killed by police officers with impunity, and people should try to 'raise the matter sensibly and get things dealt with'?

Asking for a friend, because I don't know how many have died since the 19goddamned60's trying to do it that way.

I'd be pissed off too. I'd possibly be beyond believing that things can ever be achieved legally and sensibly too. I'd possibly be thinking 'fuckit, I'll go out in a blaze of glory', or 'I'm going to be thought a crim', die as a crim', so I might as well at least do the crime, God Knows I'll be lucky if I'm alive to do the time', if I were these people.

@mbosnz but looting and stuff like that will not help will it ? What will that achieve and I believe many are asking for them but to do thaT
Protesting is one thing commiting more crimes won't help will it ??

** asking them to not do that
Further violence isn't right as far as I'm concerned

I'm not saying it will help.

I'm saying I can understand the rage.

After all - looting is a crime against property. Arson, is a crime against property.

Murder? And I don't care what side of the badge you're on, when you knowingly act in a way that takes a person's life, without having such a defence as self defence or defence of another as being open to you - it's pretty bloody clear what you've done. And you should be held accountable, regardless of your badge, your uniform, your colour, or your victim's colour.

You mean like the violence of people driving tankers into protestors? Or driving their SUV's into the crowd (police did that.) Firing rubber bullets? Tear Gas? Macing children? Forcing their horses to go over protestors?

"All" lives can't matter, until black lives matter

@mbonz absolutely he should be held accountable and like I said I have big watch the video as I would find it too upsetting and why someone would do that to another person , and someone who is supposed to be a person you should trust as such is unthinkable ,

@strugglingwithdeciding - a white police officer is not someone a black man in the US (as I understand it) would generally feel they should rightfully trust.

Add into this, the officer involved was allegedly let go from the nightclub where the victim worked, for excessive force - so he actually (allegedly) knew him.

The only people that I’ve seen/heard saying ‘all lives matter’ are black. It’s been said in response to others saying ‘black lives matter’.

I thought it was interesting.

Its good that people are talking about racism, it’s horrible that we still have to fight.

Yanbu.
Black Lives Matter.

@mbonz I'm saying that police officers should be someone we trust no matter what colour we or they are
Unfortunately there are officers like this one still about

There are far too many of these officers. Far too many people have far too much reason not to trust police officers. Particularly if they are Black.

They need to be told they will be held accountable for their unlawful actions.

Their president needs to be told they will be held accountable for their unlawful actions - whether they like it or not.

Justice is supposed to be blind.

@mbonz the officer is being charged though isn't he still ?

One of them is. Is it still third degree he's being charged with?

And what did that take?

@mbonz I don't really fully understand the Americans different murder things to be honest they have quite a different system to ours , but I did read it can be upto 25 years in prison I think , but what he gets obviously could be very different

@strugglingwithdeciding but there are many others who are not being charged who have done the same or worse. The only reason this officer is being held to account is because there was video footage, otherwise I’m sure it would be ignored. If I were a black man in America I would wear a video cam all the time because I know my word would not be trusted.

I agree with you OP. People need to STFU with saying all lives matter....that's missing the point.

I really don't think it helps the cause as such and takes away from those trying to raise the matter sensibly

You need to understand this is done out of anger and frustration.

This isn't just about George Floyd...it's about all the other black people who the police have killed and beaten and got away with it.

It's trying to get the attention because the police and the justice system is racist.

This kind of thing triggers people who have also been on the receiving end of police brutality with no recourse....a peaceful demonstration would be ignored.

This is a country who acquited police officers of the horrific beating of Rodney King...there was peace until that verdict was reached....then all he'll broke loose.

I absolutely do not blame them and the focus needs to be on the murder..not the looting.

@strugglingwithdeciding How privileged must one be to not have to burn buildings to make their voice heard.

I hate the negative connotations surrounding looting - it’s always targeted at working class individuals. Large corporations loot billions of dollars in the form of tax evasion every year.

@Silenceisnotgolden but that doesn't make it right and even the mans family have asked for things like that not to be done

I actually agree with you OP

My heart broke seeing that little girl cry though. Why the fuxk did her father feel the need to tell an 8 year old about the time he got tased and then film her crying and post it online? Was there any need for the kid to know that much detail? Protect them from that for as long as possible. Teach them to polite to police and all that jazz - heartbreaking that Americans have to do this, sensible in today's climate- but a big part of me feels that video had an agenda. And the dad laid a story on thick to make his child cry, to hit that agenda. Really dont see the point in it. And afterwards 'it's ok baby I'm here calm down ' then why the fuxk tell them that?! Is racism and how to deal with it not approached in a age appropriate manner. You wouldnt tell a 8yr old about a rape that happened to you in relative detail as pstt of safeguarding discussions... you keep it age appropriate. That video was not doing it all. Very clear agenda there.

@isitooearlyforgin we were discussing this case without evidence nothing will get done in any other case as that's how system works for everything , better if police etc wear body cams those who do there jobs correctly wouldn't have An issue with it , but they do have an issue over there in some areas