To anyone who counteracts with ‘All Lives Matter’..

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And are against any protesting and this not being ‘your problem’ because you are white/in the UK etc. - please watch this
www.instagram.com/tv/CAtRsHjJtgg/?igshid=zsymfn3661c2

@StoneofDestiny unless I'm wrong was the ok sign uses long before being associated with any group as I'm sure my kids were taught this when diving ? I certainly never knew it has any negative meanings before refund on here today

struggling
Neither did I.
But when it was being explained here I realised Trump uses it often.

Yes - it is used in diving - and in various sign languages.

I will hold my hands up, I am not black. I will also hold my hands up and say that i am probably naive. I'm a bit 'soft' on all things upsetting children due to emotional abuse as s child. I apologise that my post seems to prioritize the upset child over racism. It absolutely wasnt meant that way and I posted hastily and looking back it wasnt worded well

I just dont see what gains might have been achieved by going into details. Surely at a young age children's exposure to the police or any adult without parents is relatively limited? I completely understand the need to discuss about being polite etc and it was heartbreaking to see the childs rehearsed response. Terrible that it had to be done. I would understand going into more details when e child is a bit older, possibly going further afield without parents and so stories of past experiences need to be used to highlight the importance of following rules. But seeing the child cry like that just made me think it was done on purpose and it did hit me a bit.

I do appreciate though that I'm probably sensitive to that stuff because of past experiences. I get upset and angry seeing the baby experiment where they teach it to be scared of a noise (was it Vygotsky?), and hearing children being sleep trained upsets me too.
I also appreciate that I am naive and quite lucky to have that opportunity. I was raised in the rhondda valleys where the only people who looked different to me and my family was the people who owned local restaurants. The only time I saw any traditional religious dress was during shopping trips to Cardiff, so my exposure has been highly limited. I was responding on my emotions , and still do feel I was unnecessary for that much detail, however I'm not the Oracle and appreciate my knowledge is somewhat limited. I'm sorry that my post seemed ignorant and offensive possibly , that really wasnt my intention

The only reason this officer is being held to account is because there was video footage, otherwise I’m sure it would be ignored

That usually makes no difference in America. The cops get off no matter how clear the evidence. It's a rotten and corrupt system and cops are always protected, even if it means falsifying evidence, eg the dodgy first autopsy George Floyd was given.

I can't imagine living in America no matter what colour I was. How could you be happy to live knowing about the gross injustices that go on every single day?

Another unarmed black man was shot today. Even with all this unrest going on they're still doing it, confident they'll be protected.

@strugglingwithdeciding My point was that normal evidence is likely to be disregarded and that only indisputable proof of a video cam is accepted. The injuries, eye witness statements etc would not have been enough in a corrupt racist system. when a black guy tried to ask a white woman to put her dog on a lead, she threatened to make unfounded allegations that he was threatening her life, knowing that As a white woman, without video evidence, her word would be taken above his. Beyond all reasonable doubt just doesn’t apply

Madein1995 do you think that 8 years old is too young to be aware of those things? If only the police thought that black children should stay innocent too. Wasn't there a 6 year old kid arrested a while back, hand cuffed with cable ties and taken to the police station?

@AKissAndASmile yes, true, but if the victim had been white it would never have got that far

@isittooearlyforgin I get what you mean and it is an unbelievable system over there

I'm sorry, I cant watch the videos. I've spent days crying as it is.
It is everyones problem. It doesnt matter that I'm white. The colour of my skin doesnt make me any better than anyone else. Being in the UK, yeah changes things somewhat, as our police arent routinely armed with guns, however there is still inequality in how people of colour are treated in this country by the police.

It's horrific but you can't be polite about it, if you warn your child a strange dog might bite if they approach it/run/act noisily around it you don't mince your words. If you've been bitten yourself of course you'd mention it.

Why should an 8 year old know about it? Because in 4 years she could be another Tamir Rice. That’s why.

@strugglingwithdeciding

Won't watch the video as from what I've heard from my 17 year old it's distressing But I'm sorry I don't agree with some of what's going on in retaliation and I really don't think it helps the cause as such and takes away from those trying to raise the matter sensibly ans get things dealt with

I haven't rtft yet as I got halted at the above post and had to respond.

In the kindest way Strugglingwith, do you realize you are living in a world where the fucking official autopsy was faked to protect officers who murdered a black man? Is that not even a little bit rage inducing to you? The police lied, the department lied and now the city medical examiner lied to make it acceptable that this man had an officer kneel on his kneck for almost nine minutes and two other officers on his back. They are even fighting for the officers to get their jobs back. And you want people to behave 'sensibly'? What the hell does that even mean in this context?

Please go do some further research, and watch the damn video. It will distress you? Oh dear, how dreadful for you. People are dying and it is being covered up and whitewashed right before our eyes, but heavens we don't want to distress you

@USirName yes it does outrage me but I don't want to watch the video and that is my choice I have seen bits of it and that is enough for me to watch
It's not unreasonable that I don't wish to see it , I do have a choice in the matter

@USirName also if you read the whole posts you will get what I meant ana see where I have engaged with others
I am aware of what has happened and even more award after tonight but none of that makes me want to watch the video

Eastenders is running a story around racism there was a harsh but eye opening episode when the DF explains to the young intelligent black girl with dreams of becoming a scientist the struggle she will face as a black woman, how much harder she will have to work.
In 2020 it is shameful.

Yes you absolutely do have a choice Strugglingwith, however for you to then complain that protesters are not responding appropriately to a situation which you are refusing to witness (let alone live with) doesn't really make much sense.

They are living it, you refuse to watch it, but still feel you have every right to condemn their actions. The entire system is corrupt and against them, they have no power to fight it as we have seen over and over again. But yes, close your eyes and tell them to play nice, it's not your problem.

I also notice you took nothing else away from the rest of my post...

@USirName I had already done some more research from other posters links after my initial comment
And all though I can understand their rage I am still not comfortable with things being set alight incase another innocent person is hurt and caught up in it
Protesting I have no issue with as I have said and I'm aware of what happened I don't have to watch it to be outraged by the actions of those officers ,

I'm glad you are aware Strugglingwith, racism is vile and should be the take away here, not the looting or rioting.

@USirName I would expect any decent human being to be totally outraged by the situation but I have my reasons for not wanting to sit and watch the video all the way through

Sadly Strugglingwith, more people are outraged at the rioting than the fact that a black man was slowly murdered by a white police officer while he begged for his life in full view of a crowd in broad daylight, and that department and the medical officer tried to cover it up with outright lies.

@USirName totally ,how they could try and get away with what they had done and people covering up are just as bad , I truly hope justice is served to all those involved but unfortunately I'm not sure that will be the case

The scenes in America are heartbreaking, I watched some live footage from the protests and they were all peaceful, but I had a knot in my stomach, fearful that a minor issue would cause the law enforcement to go in heavy handed, some looked like they were desperate to get in about it.

I must admit that this subject makes me uncomfortable. I, of course, support BLM and hate the idea of racism, it is so alien to me but I do call people out on it if I see/hear it. But I feel strange discussing it as I fear I come across a bit pathetic as a white person, I fear black people will think I am patronising, like celebs going on about poverty iykwim.

To me every life is precious

@Madein1995 Black children younger than her are arrested, punched and restrained by police officers for failing to follow school rules.

As a person of colour with a son who is a person of colour it is vital that he knows he cannot trust the police to treat him fairly. If I fail to teach him that I would be putting him in danger.

Hes only four, but already when we talk about what to do if he ever gets lost I cannot put police officers on the list of safe people to find, because in a few short years they will be the people he has to a avoid to remain safe. He has seen me be subjected to stop and search three times for the crime of being a brown man.

This is the sort of thing that happens in America, these protests are born out of long injustices and frustration at how things work in America.

A man was out jogging his usual route back in February, when he was gunned down and shot dead. The police knew who had done it. There was no arrests.

Why? because the jogger was black and the gunmen white.

Because a black mans life doesn't matter.

The story only really got picked up in May because of the man's family fighting for justice.

in these reports there were still no arrests but now its because of "Corona"

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/07/ahmaud-arbery-killing-man-called-911-report-black-male-running-shooting

www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/video-appears-show-georgia-man-shot-while-jogging-lawyers-call-n1201301