To think that the looters should be ashamed of themselves

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I think that the protests are fully justified, and support them, but imo looting is ridiculous. Using the horrific death of someone as an excuse to steal?? This is not what George Floyd would have wanted. Probably quite the opposite.

So destroying something is fine, but taking it is not.

Interesting.

Aww so it's only the looting you have a problem with, not the burning off police stations and cars etc. Have I got that right?
Destruction of property is ok but you draw the line at looting. Got it

Not sure that was in reply to my comment but if so then you haven’t ”got it” I Simply said the two things were different because they are. I did not say or imply one was right and one was wrong.

But it’s not a concern of mine, the looting will be dealt with

It is a concern for the people living in the neighbourhoods whose businesses are being looted and destroyed. It is a concern for the people who are peacefully protesting George Floyd's death, whilst Antifa thugs create chuck petrol bombs at police cars. The repercussions of these scenes of violent disorder will be felt in November. You might be casually dismissive of the impact of all of this. But that's because you have the privilege of living nowhere near where this is happening.

'The suffragettes weren’t doing it to get free stuff for themselves and were only doing it to raise the awareness of their protest. The people who are looting are doing it for purely for themselves out of greed. They are clearly very different things.'

Feels like a clear value judgement to me.

@ShinyFootball Get a grip.

Either destruction of property is bad or it isn't.

Seems here it depends who does it and what the cause is.

Get a grip is not a very convincing argument.

@ShinyFootball

Either destruction of property is bad or it isn't.

Seems here it depends who does it and what the cause is.

Get a grip is not a very convincing argument.

@ShinyFootball Destruction of innocent people’s property is wrong no matter who does it. You’re the one who’s making this about race.

I think looting is wrong. As is other theft.

I also think that looting has nothing to do with the death of George Floyd, or with Black Lives Matter protests. It is opportunistic and wrong. Even more wrong because it has distracted from the very necessary protests.

@ShinyFootball Just to put this into perspective; if you were angry at someone, and went and robbed a shop to show this anger, would you think it was ok?

@squeekums

The cops brought this on themselves, americas government has brought this on themselves

With a lifetime of hate, discrimination and STILL nothing has changed, are you shocked people so angry.
The rodney king riots 30 years ago, flint Michigan in recent times, take a knee at NFL games, nothing has worked
The people have been ignored and abused and they are PISSED, rightly so
This is simply what happens when you treat a whole bunch of people like shit for so long
This is what happens with a corrupt police force and government

THIS

Fucking this OP....

So suffragettes were justified in what they did or not?

A lot of wriggling going on here.

@candilemon

Looting can’t be excused.

yet the injustice and mistreatment of black people has been largely excused for 400 years

Over 1,000 suffragettes were given prison sentences for various offences.

"Investing in black lives and livelihoods"

How many black livelihoods have been destroyed by the rioting and looting?

www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-sector/our-insights/covid-19-investing-in-black-lives-and-livelihoods

@ShinyFootball Suffragettes were justified as they didn’t go around wrecking and stealing other people’s property just for the sake of it. Fancy answering my question now?

They were justified.

'In 1913 the WSPU arson campaign escalated and railway stations, cricket pavilions, racecourse stands and golf clubhouses being set on fire. Slogans in favour of women's suffrage were cut and burned into the turf. Suffragettes also cut telephone wires and destroyed letters by pouring chemicals into post boxes.'

Ok yeah not buying it.
They were considered terrorists at the time.
Seems like double standards to me.

I'll let you get on and discuss how shocking it all is.

Have fun

'@ShinyFootball Just to put this into perspective; if you were angry at someone, and went and robbed a shop to show this anger, would you think it was ok?'

Better than putting a knee on their throat and killing them slowly, I'd have thought.

Of course according to your I could just their telephone wires and set their house on fire if my answer was justified.

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[quote ShinyFootball]'**@ShinyFootball Just to put this into perspective; if you were angry at someone, and went and robbed a shop to show this anger, would you think it was ok?'

Better than putting a knee on their throat and killing them slowly, I'd have thought.

Of course according to your I could just their telephone wires and set their house on fire if my answer was justified.

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@ShinyFootball Still dodging the actual question

@ShinyFootball The suffragettes didn’t completely go against the entire point of their movement. That’s the difference. Half the looters don’t give a damn about the BAME movement, all they want is an excuse to steal. Black businesses are being destroyed by the same idiots who supposedly support them but then go and smash their windows in.

What's property when human lives are at risk? I'm sure heir insurance will pay up

So if the people in the USA we cutting phone wires, burning down buildings, and pouring chemicals into letter boxes, you would say, that's ok.

Bollocks would you.

Coriander I expect a lot of these business will have inadequate or no insurance/ and I wouldn't be surprised if premiums in some of the areas which are majority black are more expensive (they will have used a different metric that turns out to be a proxy for race). Unless insurance works differently in the USA. Also, Corona. People will have lost their businesses for sure.

I dunno - I get why some people are going batshit crazy and causing damage to get some attention, some focus, that people see their anger and that they have been pushed over the edge.

Can't really condemn, though I feel terrible for retailers or anyone affected.

It's a terrible situation.

@ShinyFootball You’re the one that’s talking bollocks. What’s your obsession with letterboxes? I never said any of that.