To think that the looters should be ashamed of themselves

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I think that the protests are fully justified, and support them, but imo looting is ridiculous. Using the horrific death of someone as an excuse to steal?? This is not what George Floyd would have wanted. Probably quite the opposite.

@StopMurderingUs In my entire life, I have never heard of ‘thug’ as a racist expression, and certainly where I’m from it isn’t. I apologise if to you it is.

The looters are mostly professional criminals who are well organized and taking advantage of the police being busy beating up peaceful protestors. That is what the videos are showing and the people are reporting so far.

YABU when people riot they have reached the end of their tether. I honestly blame governments when people riot... I hate this attitude of placing responsibility onto individuals when for the most part the individuals you are trying to place responsibility on have been, murdered, oppressed, lived in poverty, had less education etc etc.... now of course in an ideal world theyd rise above all that and still act in a decent way... but is it really their fault if they dont? Should we really place the blame at their feet with all that has gone on? I think society lies in the bed it makes in this is a bed Donald trump has shat in. You want people to not riot? Provide them with opportunities and access to education... adress wealth inequality and racial divisions... dont murder them by kneeling on their necks and then threaten to shoot protesters!

"Thug" is not a racist term, not in Britain. We'll use "thug" to describe anyone acting like that, along with "yob", irrespective of skin colour (in fact I think I've heard them used to describe whites in the majority). Is it different in the US?

This is a forum based in Britain and should accept British usage.

@Pepperwort

"Thug" is not a racist term, not in Britain. We'll use "thug" to describe anyone acting like that, along with "yob", irrespective of skin colour (in fact I think I've heard them used to describe whites in the majority). Is it different in the US?

This. @StopMurderingUs

Not gonna happen/ I will never call anyone the C word just because you all think it is acceptable and I won't stop knowing thug is a pejorative for black people. We learned from government and media in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina that Black people are "looters" while white people "find food". We have not forgot.

@TehBewilderness There’s a difference between finding food and breaking into stores to grab the most expensive TV you can find. Most looters are doing the latter, making them actual looters.

wafflyversatile I’m allowed to create a thread about whatever I want

And what you chose shows where you stand.

Not according to the lessons police and the corporate media taught us in the aftermath of Katrina. The only difference was the color of their skin.
Right now the professional looters the police are ignoring are white and the peaceful protestors and journalists they are gassing and shooting with rubber coated bullets are Black.

@wafflyversatile How so? Freedom of speech

Yes because you pepperwort are the arbiter of what is and isn't racist. Whether you accept it or not, it is racist. The same way the term "uppity" was condemned for being used for MM as racist despite it's US origins. The n-word is one I have been subject to in every single country despite it's US origins. I have been called a k*ffir in South Africa and in England just as the PP.

It crosses borders because it is exactly how the news is covered in the UK as well.

Rowdy vs riot for white and black protestors and all the other codified language black people know and understand so well.

Digging your head in the sand doesn't make it untrue, it is just extremely telling and unbecoming on you
That was the fastest backtrack I have ever seen in my life OP, not at all surprised.

How many times can you be punched in the face for no reason, before you hit back?

The method of protest inevitably will go against social 'rules', because the protest is against that.

Why would they fight within the rules of society, when it is the rules of society which have so badly hurt them?

This is a visceral communication of fury against a society which undervalues and attacks black people as a norm. They are attacking back. And I don't blame them. I admire with astonishment, the strength it is has taken for black people not to tear the place down sooner.

*"A vast amount of the criminal damage is being perpetrated by white antifa activists.

They couldn't care less about BLM."*

All the more reason they should be ashamed of themselves. They're using the movement as an excuse to loot. They're tarnishing the impactful protests by drawing attention away from them and towards the looting. They're inciting blame on black people for their own thuggish actions (the looters). They should be ashamed of themselves for all of this.

@StopMurderingUs Rowdy vs riot isn’t even an argument. Neither is racist. And yes, it was a quick backtrack on the thug argument, only because I am willing to accept that I may be wrong, unlike you.

@changeitupagain

*"A vast amount of the criminal damage is being perpetrated by white antifa activists.

They couldn't care less about BLM."*

All the more reason they should be ashamed of themselves. They're using the movement as an excuse to loot. They're tarnishing the impactful protests by drawing attention away from them and towards the looting. They're inciting blame on black people for their own thuggish actions (the looters). They should be ashamed of themselves for all of this.

Thank you @changeitupagain - perfectly said

I am just glad that a lot of black people are calling out the Antifa activists and some of the actual protestors have handed in the agents provocateur to the authorities.
There are a lot of fake activists who will be spending a very long time in jail soon, as they should be as they didn't give a fuck whether the people they were inciting would get in trouble or not and just used them for cover.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=51ti0LppviM
m.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUDPeB-ATI

An African Proverb: the child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel it's warmth.
Look beyond the looting. Colonialists looted on a phenomenal scale for centuries - in India, Africa, Middle East and Far East. The benefits of all that looting built the modern European states and their grand capital cities. Their museums blatantly display some of tiny fraction of those looted goods. Think about that. Do your research and look in the mirror.

"An African Proverb: the child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel it's warmth."

This is a dangerous proverb and could be used to justify a number of violent acts.

I am not saying saying looters are the same as the following examples but that the proverb can be applied to them to.

School shooters, the ones who don't do it for fame obviously as there are 2 main categories, are shown to have been disenfranchised, bullied, harassed by other students, ignored by teachers and the like when they've asked for help or clearly been distressed and the shooting is retaliation against the people that have marginalised them. I feel desperately sorry for these individuals but it absolutely does not justify what they go on to do.

People who go on to kill their child's murderer when they get parol. Their actions were obviously abhorrent, there is no relief from the loss of a child, they may feel failed by the justice system. However they are still wrong to them commit murder themselves.

Abused children who enact physical violent revenge on their abuser later in life once they have escaped the abuse (I.e. not at all in self defence). Their reasoning is completely understandable, they were not embraced but actively harmed by the person. However their action of revenge is still wrong.

Again I am not comparing these to the lootings, they are different situation with different consequences.

I am saying this proverb is dangerous in that it could justify all of these.

Another Black business destroyed.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDrmkhJG89M&feature=youtu.be

You can talk about “free speech” and “sorry IF I offended you” and claim racist terms aren’t offensive in the UK all you like.

The bottom line is that you’re choosing to make “my right to use hurtful racial slurs and attack black proof who ask me not to” your hill to die on, in the very same week black people are being slaughtered.

Inevitably many, many people will look at that and come to the conclusion that you’re a massive racist.

@ChocolatelyAsFuck I am not using hurtful racial slurs? Considering that this is a UK site, UK culture should be acceptable. I refuse to be called a racist because of cultural differences, as imo that is totally unreasonable to expect anyone from a different country to know what is and what isn’t offensive in yours. I have even gone as far as to ask BAME friends their opinion on words used and even they have said they don’t believe that these are racist terms.