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To find it scary that people have willingly downloaded the track and trace app?

328 replies

SunnyThatsMyName · 29/05/2020 16:59

This all reminds me of the start of some sci-fi/thriller movie.
Why are people so easily giving away their details to this useless government?

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MGMidget · 29/05/2020 18:00

There’s no choice if you have an iphone.

cardibach · 29/05/2020 18:04

What do you mean @MGMidget ?

PickUpAPickUpAPenguin · 29/05/2020 18:05

Cloudspotter - the Cummings associated with the app is not related to Dominic

Thighmageddon · 29/05/2020 18:09

Have I missed a major chunk of news?

I thought the app was only being trialled on the IoW and we are currently just using Test and Trace?

eeeyoresmiles · 29/05/2020 18:12

If you refuse to participate in the track and trace then you are basically sticking two fingers up to every clinically vulnerable person and health care worker out there.

Not just them - everybody.

There's a popular misconception that the only relevant risk to an individual is their personal risk of dying of covid-19, so if that's low they could sail through a pandemic unaffected regardless of how many people around them are ill.

In fact, if the illness is spreading widely, even if this is only amongst less vulnerable people, all sorts of things will go wrong that affect everyone. Non-covid medical treatment will be affected, people won't spend money, businesses will go bust, sickness will disrupt all sort of businesses, services and education.

Normal life will be just as badly screwed up by the disease spreading freely among healthy people, as it has been by a temporary lockdown. It will be worse than if we'd never had it, but we'll have the effects of the lockdown on top of that.

It is not just about individual risk of dying.

For anyone who thinks they don't personally have to bother doing anything - actually, whether your risk of being infectious is picked up via an app or via a phone call, it's really important for your own personal future that you do your bit and self-isolate.

Everyone's normal life depends on their local area having fewer infections every week. Acting as if infections amongst low-risk people are fine will achieve the opposite of that.

Pleasenodont · 29/05/2020 18:14

I’m not downloading it, it feels like something out of a Black Mirror episode. The advert for it yesterday during the government briefing was incredibly eerie and Orwellian.

bristolone · 29/05/2020 18:14

@Eckhart I was copying another post and replying.

I'll be isolating if I'm asked to.

Pleasenodont · 29/05/2020 18:15

Should also add that I’m heavily pregnant and haven’t left my house for ten weeks so I’m not harming anyone not having the app.

ElectricTonight · 29/05/2020 18:16

No I'm not downloading the app.

cardibach · 29/05/2020 18:17

@slashlover

A couple of people I know are going to use one of their old handsets, do a factory reset and buy one of those cheap SIM cards you can buy in shops.
Why would they do this? Just not downloading the app Would sort it. And at the moment it’s not app based anyway...
NELass · 29/05/2020 18:20

@slashlover

A couple of people I know are going to use one of their old handsets, do a factory reset and buy one of those cheap SIM cards you can buy in shops.
They’re wasting their time because they’ll still get a phone call from test and trace if they’re named
HorsesInTheSky · 29/05/2020 18:20

I’m not downloading it, it feels like something out of a Black Mirror episode

In what way? What does it do? What data does it collect?

HepzibahGreen · 29/05/2020 18:22

Not everyone has Facebook, Alexa, Insta, Apple pay, location tracking, a Sat Nav or uses a Google account that is connected to their real life info.
Lots of people never shop on Amazon.
I might download the app on an old phone, maybe, but it's a false assumption that everyone has all this stuff tracking them.

AddressLabel · 29/05/2020 18:24

I’m not downloading the app. I disable / delete unnecessary apps and never leave gps/location tracking on, don’t use a lot of social media (only fb) and facebook has fake details for me (and is locked down). I opt out of marketing etc. Sure if they try hard enough they’ll be able to get info on me, but I’m sure as shit not making it easy for them.

If I’m asked to self isolate I will, but I’m an anti-social bitch so my risk of spreading anything is quite slim.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 29/05/2020 18:24

@NELass

Can I just point out that if you get called by a tracer you are on our system. You won’t get called again. You won’t need to isolate numerous times. This really needs to get out because people are just starting to make stuff up now
What do you mean? You seem to be implying that there is some sort of immunity? How do you know someone won't have to isolate several times? If I get called, I isolate, no ifs not buts (unless I'm Durham Dom). I don't develop symptoms. Then three weeks later I won't get another call even if I've been with someone else who develops symptoms. What kind of crazy arsed system is this?
TheWordWomanIsTaken · 29/05/2020 18:26

^^ Sorry, should point out I know you have said on other threads you are track and tracer so aware of the system.
But I don't understand what your post means?

PickUpAPickUpAPenguin · 29/05/2020 18:27

twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1265747635161481221?s=21

Hancock says you might have to self isolate more than once

rosie1959 · 29/05/2020 18:27

What exciting intimate data does this app need . Contact details ?
You may think the Government can know nothing about you without downloading this app?
My son had to have clearance for entering delicate areas before he met up with the people that did this they knew everything about him bank details friends anyone that had convictions what he googled absolutely everything

ArnoJambonsBike · 29/05/2020 18:28

Its widely acknowledged that 52% are arseholes, so people downloading an app that was rushed through before proper testing to take the eye off Cummings isn't particularly difficult to believe.

eeeyoresmiles · 29/05/2020 18:28

@slashlover

A couple of people I know are going to use one of their old handsets, do a factory reset and buy one of those cheap SIM cards you can buy in shops.
I don't think that's a bad idea if someone wants to take part in tracking the virus and is quite happy to be contacted, but just doesn't trust the quality of the app and doesn't want to put it on their main phone. It would also mean you could preserve the battery on your real phone by keeping bluetooth off on there.
MintyMabel · 29/05/2020 18:29

Interesting fact - the CIA coined the phrase to discredit anybody with a different point of view.

The briefest of internet searches confirms this is untrue. I suspect that’s a myth spread by conspiracy theorists (as most “did you know the CIA....” stories are)

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 29/05/2020 18:29

A malicious random could ruin someone financially, cost them their job etc and the recipient wouldn't even know who it was.
Until Cummings and his government come up with a way of compensating people for their ACTUAL lost income not paltry SSP, then I won't be downloading.
If they want it to work they need to protect people.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 29/05/2020 18:30

@ArnoJambonsBike

Its widely acknowledged that 52% are arseholes, so people downloading an app that was rushed through before proper testing to take the eye off Cummings isn't particularly difficult to believe.
53% Hmm that sounds like a familiar figure
TheWordWomanIsTaken · 29/05/2020 18:30

^^52%
fat fingers

Msmcc1212 · 29/05/2020 18:32

To those that don’t see themselves as vulnerable and so don’t see the need to track and trace or self isolate: In our local area ALL ICU beds for covid (when it was at its peak) were under 50s and most had no underlying health issues. Those that get it to any degree are often reporting long term effects. Two months on so far for some and they still feel unwell. It can effect most major organs in your body. Young and fit people have died. People talk about feeling like they are going to die. Just because you are not over 70 or don’t have an underlying health problem, it doesn’t guarantee you an easy passage.

It’s not just about your personal risk either. If you don’t isolate after contact you could be shedding virus particles unknowingly which could end up killing people. You would have to live with that knowledge.

If the R rate goes up - everyone suffers in numerous ways.

Track and trace and self isolation is going to be our only way out.

If you don’t participate history will not judge you kindly. How do you want to describe your conduct in years to come?

Your personal data is out there already being used for far less important things and it’s already accessible to American Intelligence services.

I can’t see any good reason not to use it TBH.

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