To find it scary that people have willingly downloaded the track and trace app?

[SunnyThatsMyName]

This all reminds me of the start of some sci-fi/thriller movie.
Why are people so easily giving away their details to this useless government?

I think some people don't understand the privacy implications. If they've only followed the top line stories on this then they could be forgiven for thinking it was going to be managed through the health service rather than through private companies.
There's also differences across the UK eg Scotland is using the existing health care and GP structures not private companies.
Also, some people will think it's worth the privacy risk to try to combat Covid. It's a pity that the government couldn't have used the existing systems in England rather than risking lack of compliance by farming it out.

They have already got all of the information you are worried about giving them...... Google has the rest. It just puts the two together. Do you have something to hide OP?

Can I just point out that if you get called by a tracer you are on our system. You won’t get called again. You won’t need to isolate numerous times. This really needs to get out because people are just starting to make stuff up now

I probably would have pre-Dominic Cummings. However, the government clearly don't believe in any of the measures they have put in place so I don't see the point.

Furthermore, I'm not interested in handing over my personal details to them so they can enforce a rule against me that they wouldn't enforce against one of their own.

@dellacucina

I probably would have pre-Dominic Cummings. However, the government clearly don't believe in any of the measures they have put in place so I don't see the point.

Furthermore, I'm not interested in handing over my personal details to them so they can enforce a rule against me that they wouldn't enforce against one of their own.

Then I hope you are happy to live like this for the foreseeable

No way would I download or isolate if not I’ll. It’s over guys. I know all you neurotic types can’t face it but it’s pretty much done.

So the government, (or whoever) are collecting all this data about everyone, and they are storing all this data somewhere and they have developed the necessary algorithms to plough through all this data and identify the really useful stuff about YOU.. and they're going to use that data against you!
You watch too much dystopian science fiction my friend!

I don't think badly protected databases being hacked into by hostile agents, and the personal information within being put to ill-use... is particularly sci-fi
Source: being an IT professional, and having paid attention to the news for the last decade or so

I don't think the government has particularly nefarious purposes, but they don't have a particularly good track-record either, at delivering large IT projects within short time scales...
And IT experts have highlighted that the chosen implementation (centralised database instead of peer to peer coms) is fundamentally not secure.

But personally, I'm more worried about their app messing up my phone. I'd actually prefer a wrist tag...

Most significantly, it is in the control of a company run by Cummings' mates

Fake news.

I'm not downloading it but we are still not mixing.

JudyCool Do you know what information the app requires? Which bit of information required by the app are you concerned about sharing?

Why are people so easily giving away their details to this useless government?

I haven't really looked at the app. What details does it ask for?

Google knows where I am anyway, I get a monthly report, it is a lot less interesting these days 🤔

For fuck sake.

There is currently no app in use.

The current system is that Nurses will contact people who have tested positive and discuss with them their movements need the last two weeks. Anyone with whom they have had prolonged (over 10 minutes) contact with will then be contacted and asked to isolate.

It is not foolproof. Some people will end up isolating unnecessarily.

Lockdown can not go on forever, however we still have no vaccine and no cure.

If we do nothing then rates will rapidly climb back up. If you refuse to participate in the track and trace then you are basically sticking two fingers up to every clinically vulnerable person and health care worker out there.

@bristolone

There’s fuck all chance I’m going to isolate for 14 days unless I’m feeling unwell

Could you explain why you think this is ok, given that most people are contagious for at least a short time, before becoming aware of their symptoms?

There's no way I'm downloading this app.

While people still refuse point blank to isolate for a few days when they know they should be, have you any idea what months of solitary confinement does to people?

Many hundreds of thousands of vulnerable and elderly people are having to live in solitary confinement, and will have to do so for the forseeable future.

All due to the selfish fuckers who refuse to accept that what they are being asked to do is for the common good of all of us.

You have the same information on here that they will probably need.

All those against should delete their Mumsnet account immediately!!!

Can someone give an actual reasoned argument as to why they wouldn't participate?
"I don't want the government to track me" means fuck all.

Saying you won't participate means you are a selfish fuck.

People are still dying by the way. That's what i'm interested in.

I will not download the app as Dido Harding was the CEO of talktalk at the time of their massive security breach so I do not trust her with my data. She was a terrible choice to head the app and obviously got the contract thanks to her marriage to a Tory MP.

I know that Google and Amazon know more about me but nobody has ever hacked them and posted my data on the Dark Web.

Haha! Some people are so stupid.

Even Amazon have like 600 pieces of personal data about you. You can tell the government your postcode and whether you've got a cough FFS.

Have I missed a major chunk of news?

I thought the app was only being trialled on the IoW and we are currently just using Test and Trace?

When the app is released I’ll download it - definitely. Anything which helps reduce the risks of COVID getting out of control again. I don’t have anything to hide so no concerns.

If people don’t comply with having to self isolate, it will become mandatory with police have the powers to enter any home where there is a report of a breach.

Can I just ask something about the app that I've heard? Is it true that Dominic Cummings is involved with the app in that the contract has been awarded to his brother or his friend or something?

I've heard this rumour from a few sources but not sure if it's true or just a conspiracy theory.

If it is true, then I would be very anxious about submitting data. This is because I genuinely fear governments having too much contextual information about us, especially if they own the data.

I just fear it could be used for no good

Before the Dominic Cummings incident I would have said yes to downloading the app. Not a chance now.

@essbee

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How does that work then? If I’m exposed to someone next week so go into isolation and don’t get it, are you suggesting that means I’m immune? Because it doesn’t. I could be exposed again and catch it this time. If that’s how it’s set up it just won’t work.