To avoid T or T by turning my phone off when out

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Pissed off with hypocrisy of government.

I’m playing by the rules and still properly social distancing so there’s no way I’m self isolating for 2 weeks if they call me.

Can turning phones off when out avoid being radarred?

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Some people need their sick leave for actual periods of sickness due to health conditions too. My company pays for a certain number of days sick. So people with health conditions will be worse off if they get pinged and have to isolate as it’ll use their paid sick leave that they’ll later need.

Well I'm sorry but I and I am sure many others cannot afford week after week on sick pay on the off chance I have been in contact with someone who has COVID, my kids come first, they will have to think of a way of supporting people while isolating over and over again.

No Sick pay for Self employed or part time workers.

People will lose their jobs. Getting D&V or the flu isn’t an employee’s fault either but can still lead to dismissal for excess sick leave.

Just talked about this with DH. He says there no way he’ll download any App run by the Government. They’re so incompetent it’s likely to break the phone.

It's total nonsense. We know you can have it and not be symptomatic. People can sit at home for 14 days and not appear to have had it but if their family isn't isolating it won't make any odds.

Every country that has got this virus under control has done it this way. It can work, it does work. Please don’t just decide ahead of time you aren’t going to go along with it because the Tories are wankers.

I can't see this track and trace thing working... My DM is a nurse at our local hospital and due to being shielded she has been redeployed to HR and is WFH. Her "job" had been to phone hundreds of members of staff who had called in sick with covid or suspected vivid to check they were ok and if they had recovered/returned to work. I would estimate that less than 50% of those she called actually answered the phone, and that isn't accounting for all the incorrect phone numbers she was applied with. I personally don't answer any calls from numbers I don't know, so it would be wasted on me.

Also, wouldn't it be easier just to take responsibility and call those contacts yourself rather than supply contact details for someone else to do it for you? If we're still social distancing the number of people we come into contact with shouldn't be very high at all.

Just read the update on bbc news page a pp put up.

So my husband has been working throughout all this and will continue to do so but if he has been in contact with someone (which he is more likely to be because he is out working with the public - same goes for many jobs that are public facing or involve commuting) he has to isolate for 14 days on SSP - £95 a week! If he has no symptoms during that time, he cant even get tested so he could very well be off for nothing. Then if he goes back to work, he could be asked to isolate again - again for £95 a week! Again, if no symptoms he doesnt get tested. And so the cycle could repeat. And any one of those times he could have had is asymptomatically, but because he wasnt tested we wont know, but he still has to keep taking off.

Meanwhile, many people are at home furloughed at 80% of their wages (not another furlough bashing thread, I do think it is a good thing - it saved my sisters job and the roof over her head) and are therefore less likely to be in contact with as many people and having to self isolate - even if they do, they will still continue getting paid 80% of their wages.

My husband has already lost his job due to this (as many have I know). His work refused to furlough him even though he qualified (but want him back when this is over which is sickening) so he had to take on any job going, which is a lot less money, for more hours, doing much more work with the public so is riskier (I am heavily pregnant with asthma and type 1 diabetes, eldest dd is also asthmatic, so it's a stress we didnt need). Because of the job change he now also doesn't qualify for paternity pay but will still have to take unpaid leave to mind our other 2 DC while I am in hospital. (Although debating using my parents for this now so DH can at least come to birth after the dc fiasco but that's another thread).

This latest isolating business on SSP is just a final kick in the teeth. Weve taken such a hit financially, are eating up our savings to plug the gap between husbands old and new wages, UC isnt enough for us to cover our mortgage/bills/outgoings. I know thEre are many people who have lost a lot more and in worse financial hardship than us, but honestly it just feels like the shit just keeps on coming.

Sorry, self pitying rant over

Conspiracy theory - I know - but it feels as though government are out to destroy and bleed us dry.

How many times could a person be forced to isolate with the fear of fines etc

I can see the AIBU posts on the lines of "AIBU to be raging that MIL grassed me up to T&T and I have to self isolate? Does she realise if I don't go to work 15 kids haven't got a teacher and their parents are inconvenienced?"

This latest isolating business on SSP is just a final kick in the teeth. Weve taken such a hit financially, are eating up our savings to plug the gap between husbands old and new wages, UC isnt enough for us to cover our mortgage/bills/outgoings. I know thEre are many people who have lost a lot more and in worse financial hardship than us, but honestly it just feels like the shit just keeps on coming.

Has he checked with his work? DH's company has already said that anyone told officially to isolate will be paid as per their sickness policy.

I know a lot of companies will go for SSP only though.

@lyralalala I'll get him to ask when he's in tomorrow but I would doubt it. Its minimum wage job and they only pay what they have to - they only pay SSP under normal circumstances. Plus hes only been there since April so it's not like hes been a long term employee and they're already annoyed about him taking a few days unpaid leave when baby comes.

To be fair to businesses to though, I cant see them being happy in making up the shortfall between SSP and full wages, particularly as employees could be asked to isolate in 2 week blocks more than once. Especially when furloughed workers are being subsidized by the government.

It would be cheaper to pay the fine than lose the money in wages, not guaranteed to get fined

@kissmewherethesundontshine if that's true then the system will fail - many families will be depending on proper wages and will take the risk and ignore when they might well have it. It defies the point of have the t and t system. There are already people who are living paycheck to paycheck and not automatically self isolating with symptoms because they can't afford to live on SSP never mind when they're asked to isolate with no symptoms. There will be people choosing between putting food on their table or protecting other people for the greater good - stuck between a rock and a hard place. The government need to protect these people too, as much as the vulnerable in our society and the economy as a whole - all three.

Sorry for typos and bad grammar, I'm only half awake.

I have a bit of a weird/unique situation in that I live in a hostel with 10+ vulnerable people, shared kitchen and bathroom. 2 of those people are shielding under government advice and several more probably should be (I think they've slipped under the radar). The worst thing I could possibly do (if I received the advice to not go out) would be to stay in. Going to the park all day and staying well away from other people (much more than 2m) would be the best thing to do! I know my situation is unusual but I could literally kill people by staying indoors.

Every country that has got this virus under control has done it this way. It can work, it does work

Not so
Aus is doing well by world standards, we have the covoidsafe app aka a tracing app.
3 weeks ago the government was all download it, will be the ticket out of lockdown, we need was like 40% of population to download.

They DIDNT hit their number, many issues with app, not working on older phones, needing screen unlocked on apple, battery drain from bluetooth, amazon has hold of the contact and so many more. WHOLE range of issues and privacy concerns. The kicker was a change in data privacy laws during the app hype which made many very, rightly so, worried. It also messed with diabetes monitoring stuff that is bluetooth enabled

The rugby is starting back tonight, Aussie rules in june 11, many restrictions easing on june 1, some places pubs back to 80 people so the app was NOT a key to reopen
As it currently stands apparently just 1 person has been found via the app as needing to be tested. 1 person
The government have as good as gone silent on it, gets a small mention here and there but they still havent hit the magic number yet they gone pretty quiet on the app
Its a huge flop, dont be fooled by your government saying its worked elsewhere. In Aus it hasnt, waste of money and time

OK, this is what was said today (I was listening)

That's what I heard too steppemum. The process is a manual one - the app on the Isle of Wight is something different. Google, Facebook etc are going to be wondering why so many people have turned their phones off.

greenglassvase did explain it and she is a track and trace person.

The principles are completely well established - they do the same sexual health clinics. A group of GPs in Sheffield have been trying to do it on their own for weeks. They have also found NHS & care workers are reluctant to self isolate:

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/uk-first-coronavirus-contact-tracing-group-warns-of-difficulties

It looks like it is easier to persuade people to wash all their shopping than pass on details of people they have been in contact with who might need treatment for Covid-19. It is really sad as successful track and trace is why Germany, South Korea and New Zealand have had so few deaths.

That's a concise summary of the situation here squeekums. A huge deal was made out of it here ('Team Australia' ad nauseum). But our pandemic modeler said it was not critical, it in an interview I watched weeks ago. I wondered if the whole thing was a test to see how compliant (and afraid) we all were!

Do any of the contact tracers know, operationally, how it is going to work with contacting schools/childcare providers if a child tests positive? They would need to be told who had actually tested positive to identify which group needed to self isolate - the parents aren't going to know.

Please remember It’s public Health England running this. It has nothing to do with the app. You will get a phone call even if you don’t have the app. It isn’t the Tories phoning you. We are only giving you advice. Please be respectful to the call handlers.

So just because someone else is selfish and foolish, you think it’s ok for you to join in risking people’s lives.

You need to take a long hard look at yourself!

Well flu is also a killer so I hope they are going to add that in too.