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AIBU to think is incredibly rude to ask women when they are going have a baby?

115 replies

FucksBizz · 27/05/2020 19:15

DH and I can’t have children. We have had multiple painful losses over the last three years and medical science doesn’t seem to quite stretch to solving the problem. We cannot face the trauma any more and have decided that we will never have children. I don’t think this is anyone’s business but ours, but still, I am asked this awful question with tedious regularity. I have started responding with a blunt ‘we can’t, but thanks for asking!’ but I guess this is something that I will asked again and again throughout my life.

AIBU to think that you should NEVER ask a woman when she’s going to have children?

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Homescar · 27/05/2020 23:31

I’m sorry for your losses, @peperethecat Flowers

CountryGirlAddCoffee · 27/05/2020 23:51

I agree and I am so sorry for your losses and sorry that it's not an option for you in the future.
That really sucks when it's something you want and I hope it works out for the better for you in some way or another.
Everyone who keeps asking is a rude arsehole and clearly doesn't know you like they think they do.
You should never ask, there is no need to - I know when my closest friends are and am happy that they will tell me when they're ready.
For those of us who just like a big lunch, the proof is in the next day when we come in with a flat (er) stomach the next day!

GrandTheftWalrus · 28/05/2020 00:57

I was always asked when I was with my exh. Then we split when i was 29 and i was then told i was too old to have kids!

My dd was born in 2016 when I was 32. I'm now 35 and feel too old for another but I'm going through a miscarriage right now. Which makes me want another one.

But I would never ask anyone. Its none of my business about why they have kids or not etc.

peanutandpumkin · 28/05/2020 01:11

YNBU that is incredibly rude and ive faced the damn question several times. I just nod and buzz off, they are not worth my energy.

Or do what my friends DH does: when asked a rude question he immediately takes his mobile and gets busy (rude back at ya) not ideal lol

Really i dont know what to say. Try not to let it get you down. Ive heard it soo many times when we were trying its heartbreaking

beautifulmonument · 28/05/2020 08:31

I'm afraid that I've been guilty of this in the past when I was young and ignorant. Sad I feel terrible about it now that I have so many friends struggling with infertility and recurrent miscarriages.

BeebSleeve · 28/05/2020 09:00

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SerenDippitty · 28/05/2020 09:17

Yes it’s rude. because it’s asked on the assumption that all women want to have a baby, and that all women can have a baby.

Success1986 · 28/05/2020 09:39

I feel the same, first it was when are you going to have a child, then came along DS after fertility treatment, he was a big baby so then it was wow did you have a vaginal birth? (i mean strangers asking this more than a few times), now after failed ivf attempts for sibling it when are you going to have a sibling? Arghhh

peperethecat · 28/05/2020 09:47

so then it was wow did you have a vaginal birth?

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Oilyoilyoilgob · 28/05/2020 09:53

I loathe these questions, so rude. Why do some people talk without thinking 😤
I can’t ever imagine saying:

when are you going to lose/gain weight
Dye your hair
Get married
Get divorced
Tidy your house

(These aren’t my thoughts but things that could cause offence!)

Can you imagine if we all just said things without thinking?! Trouble is, some people lack empathy or don’t engage their brain before opening their mouths.

Several people close to me have had baby losses/can’t conceive with ivf and it’s so, so hurtful for them to be asked questions like this.

EnergyCreatesReality · 28/05/2020 09:58

Have been in exactly the same situation with TTC for many years and multiple MCs. I find it almost worse though if I tell people that medically I can't have children they start saying things like "at least you can get to have a lay-in in the morning" or "at least you get to go off on nice holidays" or "think of all the money you're saving" like I wouldn't swap a nice holiday in a heart beat for the chance to be a Mum

problembottom · 28/05/2020 09:59

People are so fucking rude. I’m sorry for anyone on the receiving end of hurtful questions. My best friend is trying to conceive but it’s very unlikely sadly. She gets so upset by people asking why she doesn’t have kids.

I got such a grilling from a group of DP’s oldest friends when I fell pregnant - they were convinced it was either an accident or I’d done it sneakily. Apparently we couldn’t have decided to have a baby cause we’d been together ten years and DP was over 40. Nosey bastards, never thought the same of them.

squeekums · 28/05/2020 10:00

It's rude and shouldn't be asked.
I let people off once,I hate the question
Be it choice or circumstance, it's nobody's business

claragolightly · 28/05/2020 10:02

So not being unreasonable. I don't want children, and don't feel I should have to have that conversation with other people.

FucksBizz · 28/05/2020 10:10

Thank you all for your thoughts. Interesting to read. So sorry to everyone who has/is going through similar.

I used the word ‘women’ in the title, as my DH is never, ever, asked this question. It is always directed at me, even from wider members of his own family. I have just evaded the question for so long, I think they are starting to give up.

SIL, (who is 35 and should know bloody better, I give you her age only to illustrate that she’s not a silly teenager), used to ask us literally every time we saw her when we were getting married. At the time we were discussing that off and on between ourselves, and DH was in the process of ring buying ect. It really took the shine off actually. Now we’re on to the interrogations about bloody babies. I’ll have to start asking her when she’s getting divorced!

Arggggh!

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julybaby32 · 28/05/2020 10:46

I have a male colleague who is very upset when his wife is asked this questions by her ( female)colleagues and has also been asked the same question himself. Having said that my immediate colleagues will insult each other until the cows come home, but would never dream of being rude enough to ask anything like that. After all half the department are, for three totally different reasons grieving children who never were, but who would have been much loved if they had been. My husband and a similarly childless good friend who is male have had a certain amount of grief from men who are fathers about their childless state. All the men I know who have had this hassle say that they think women get this worse.

There are a very limit set on conditions when it is my business to educate someone on fertility. When DN, aged 5 asked me when she would be having a cousin and could she cuddle the baby if she was very good and sat on of the sofa sensibly, that was fine, we had a bit of a talk about how babies grown in the different bit of your tummy to where the food goes, and sometimes that bit doesn't work so well especially when women get older. I also mentioned that some people are sad about this, so although it's Ok to ask me or Mummy or Daddy or Granny anything, maybe it's best not to ask other people.

It's not so much the questions that hurt me or have hurt me in the past, it's the other remarks. "Not being a real woman" "not knowing what love is" "It doesn't matter is you die because you aren't a mother" "You must hate children" "You don't know what unconditional love is - you can only feel unconditional love when you have given birth (um - isn't that a condition, and very, very nasty to adopted and fostered parents and children.) I did a fairly big favour for a new colleague once and was told "oh, you are so kind, I can tell you have children". I couldn't carry on getting credit for a "virtue" I don't possess, so I just said "no, actually , I'm childless." There was the indrawn breath and the "well" in a tutting tone of voice and the heel turn and door slamming. She was very clearly angry at my response. Had I known for what a short length of time she would continue to be a colleague I might have kept my mouth shut, but to have left it and had her later find out I had no child could have been awkward.

But to answer your question, yes, I normally think it's rude and often hurtful and suspect from the other things said that the intend is to be rude and to hurt on many, but not all occasions. The reason I joined here was really to try to understand what it is like from the other point of view - to find out why the people who hurt other's like this want to do that, what they get out of doing that and to try to stop myself from being hurt (or to find a way to make myself grateful that I can make them feel better by being the recipient of the bullying).

MeadowHay · 28/05/2020 10:50

Why do people do this??? It's so so rude and can be so upsetting for people in situations like yours. Some of DH's family started asking us this when I was in my final year of uni and only 22/23. It was like because DH had graduated and had a job they couldn't car less about whether I did or not. We had been married for 2/3 years and together since we were 18 but I still can't understand why you would be hassling someone in that situation to have children Confused as it was, we had already decided to start trying once my final exams were finished. So I was pregnant before 24 and we were both 24 when DC was born. Once she was about 3 months old people in both my family, DH's family, and friends and family friends on both sides started asking when we'd be having another!! WTF?! It was the last thing on our minds as she just screamed all the time as a baby and I had PND and everyone knew I was struggling. Why on earth would you be asking that? I never understand this.

DelurkingAJ · 28/05/2020 10:55

I agree. The only time it was a good idea was the vicar who married us and she explained it was because if we couldn’t then she would have left out the bit about having children. We have done but the questions before we were trying were very trying and I cannot imagine how they feel if you are trying. Flowers

julybaby32 · 28/05/2020 11:01

Argh, sorry for the errors
Very limited set off conditions
Others, not other's
and to clarify, it was the colleague who showed a certain amount of bad temper, not me. I should have been used to it my then, but I was still surprised she was angry with me for not having children. Was it beneath her dignity to accept a favour form a childless woman?

SerenDippitty · 28/05/2020 11:01

It's not so much the questions that hurt me or have hurt me in the past, it's the other remarks. "Not being a real woman" "not knowing what love is" "It doesn't matter is you die because you aren't a mother" "You must hate children" "You don't know what unconditional love is - you can only feel unconditional love when you have given birth (um - isn't that a condition, and very, very nasty to adopted and fostered parents and children.) I did a fairly big favour for a new colleague once and was told "oh, you are so kind, I can tell you have children". I couldn't carry on getting credit for a "virtue" I don't possess, so I just said "no, actually , I'm childless." There was the indrawn breath and the "well" in a tutting tone of voice and the heel turn and door slamming. She was very clearly angry at my response. Had I known for what a short length of time she would continue to be a colleague I might have kept my mouth shut, but to have left it and had her later find out I had no child could have been awkward.

I wonder if comments like this come from people who are insecure in their own life choices, or feel they had no choice in becoming parents.

julybaby32 · 28/05/2020 11:10

Thankyou and what a clever and lovely name, SerenDippity.
I suppose in that case I should be grateful I can be of service. I'm not sure I can mange that bit of it, although I'm getting better and better at the hating myself part.

BlueLadybird · 28/05/2020 11:12

I don't think I'd ever ask a person "when", but if I'd been good friends with someone for a long time then I might ask them if they wanted kids someday. It's not something you ask someone unless you know them very well though

I didn’t want to talk about my infertility with anyone, even close friends. Follow the golden rule that if someone wants you to know something, they will tell you. They don’t need an opening.

SVRT19674 · 28/05/2020 11:16

I dont think it is rude. I think it is cruel and insentive. You never know what suffering that person has gone through. I would never ask such a question. I had mine at 44, a little miracle and remember being pissed off by someone who actually not realising my age was saying when will you bring along a liitle brother or sister. Actually never, we are thankful for what we have. And they insisted! Youre NOT going to give her a little brohter???? Nope!

Graphista · 28/05/2020 11:16

Totally agree.

I'm fortunate to be a mother but before having dd I had lost 3 and I well remember people asking and the pain it caused.

I also couldn't have any more after dd for medical reasons and people also comment far too much on only children and ask when you're having another - also very painful and upsetting to be asked and have to answer in the first few years after having dd.

I'm somewhat numb to it now and will relatively easily explain

LightenUpSummer · 28/05/2020 11:17

YANBU however when I was younger and pre-MN I didn't realise this was a rude thing to say. So I was ignorant but would never have meant to be!