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to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 4

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SophieB100 · 27/05/2020 14:10

New thread to discuss the cummings and goings of the PM's chief adviser.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3919707-to-think-Dominic-Cummings-should-go-thread-3

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EvilPea · 27/05/2020 17:22

@bobtrain
It is minor. But it undermines the messages the government send.

CarolynMartens · 27/05/2020 17:23

Does the WHO advice recommend a 60 mile round trip to test your eyesight?

Tbh they probably should, it might get Trump to start funding them again.

SheWranglesRugRats · 27/05/2020 17:24
  1. Why could he not care for the child himself?
  1. The rules allowed for a carer to travel to the child, not the other way round.
  1. The outing to Barnard Castle was not about childcare.
  1. If your eyes are dodgy then driving sixty miles with a four year old in the back is reckless at best.
EvilPea · 27/05/2020 17:24

I cannot get past the government allowing children to die alone, which goes against every parental instinct. Whilst patting Cummings on the back for following his.

The80sweregreat · 27/05/2020 17:25

I bet Dido was a good laugh at the supper nights in chipping norton when Dave and Boris were proper friends. It's all the nepotism that gets to me. Wiki anyone and it's all baronet this and lady that !
When will anyone speak for the normal man on the street? Even Keir Starmer is a Sir!
Politics is such a tangled web of people with fingers in the pie and money going to their mates.
I do despair at times at British politics.

SophieB100 · 27/05/2020 17:25

@EvilPea
Your post is why this forum should have a like button.
Sums it up perfectly.

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YouTheCat · 27/05/2020 17:25

If he had problems with his eyes he shouldn't have driven. He was part of the group that came up with the guidelines. His childcare situation was not an emergency. And since when has this government bothered much with WHO guidelines? If they had we would have had testing in March, proper quarantining of people entering the country and a much more stringent lock down. Then maybe fewer people would have died.

I've seen little evidence of Johnson going by facts.

NoMoreReluctantCustodians · 27/05/2020 17:25

Oh come on. No one is that gullible.

driving 30 minutes to test your eyesight Grin

JamieLeeCurtains · 27/05/2020 17:26

Johnson refuses to answer, again, which allegations against Cummings were false.

ZaZathecat · 27/05/2020 17:26

"Do not leave home if you or someone you live with has any of the following:
a high temperature
a new, continuous cough
a loss of, or change to, your sense of smell or taste"

bobtrain this is the very first thing you see on the gov.uk website.

And I repeat, it would be within the guidelines for you to travel to help your sick daughter. It would NOT be within the guidelines for your sick daughter to travel to you.

DC helped make up the rules. He did not need to, and should not have broken them.

StealthPolarBear · 27/05/2020 17:27

What was that last one from Darren when he said no no no

EvilPea · 27/05/2020 17:28

Even Keir Starmer is a Sir!

Presumably for his services to law?

JamieLeeCurtains · 27/05/2020 17:29

Johnson is basically refusing to return to the Liaison Committee (comprising all the Select Committee chairs), @StealthPolarBear

Clavinova · 27/05/2020 17:29

In those days at to get into Oxford you had to pass an exam set by your chosen college, then go up for an interview, then you had to get 2 E grades at A level.

He won a King's Scholarship to Eton then another scholarship to Oxford.

YouTheCat · 27/05/2020 17:30

Keir Starmer is from a working class background. He went to a grammar school. His mother was a nurse and his father was a tool maker.

NoMoreReluctantCustodians · 27/05/2020 17:30

I love Meghan hillier

SmileyFaceSadFace · 27/05/2020 17:31

Holy fuck!! I'm exhausted listening him.....I keep holding my breath willing him to get his words out in a flowing sentence.

Who had forbidden Boris ? I thought he was the PM Interestingly, this is something that Trump has been saying recently - along the lines of "I am not allowed to tell you" - who are these people telling them they can't say things?

NoMoreReluctantCustodians · 27/05/2020 17:31

Meg not Meghan

TangibleTuTu · 27/05/2020 17:31

Boris is too terrified to govern without DC. We all know who is really running the country. Boris's attempt to use his floppy haired "charm" to change the subject is pathetic. Well it may work on Carrie Symonds but not on the rest of the nation.

What a buffoon he is to keep bleating we should "move on". And "political ding dongs" are YOUR JOB you Eton Idiot.

Dom must despise this toady oik.

NotABeliever · 27/05/2020 17:32

I got the shittiest reply to my email to my Tory MP. I'm livid. Here it is.

"Dear

Thank you for your email about Dominic Cummings. I have received over 1,500 emails on the issue since Saturday and, while they have all been read, please accept my apologies that I am unable respond personally to each one. Please know that I have made Ministers aware of your feelings, comments and concerns about this particular matter.

The coronavirus pandemic is affecting us very deeply, both collectively and as individuals. Some have lost their lives. Some have lost loved ones in the most difficult circumstances. Everyone has seen normal life change profoundly. Huge sacrifices have been made and, most painfully, we have accepted restrictions on our freedom to be with family and friends at the time when we need them the most.

I completely understand the public anger. It is unacceptable for those who make the rules to break them. That is a particularly passionately held feeling in the UK, a consequence of our deeply held belief in fair play, democracy, and everyone being equal under the law. I cherish this trait in our national character and legal system and would fight to defend it.

Many of those who have written to me on this matter have told me of how they have been affected personally by the lockdown rules and have drawn comparisons with the decisions and actions of Mr Cummings. It is understandably against this backdrop that the situation is now being judged.

Dominic Cummings has given a full account of his trip to County Durham and the reasons for it. Reasonable people are now debating whether he broke the lockdown rules. There are perfectly valid arguments either way, however a point I have made repeatedly in public and in private is that in applying the rules we must not lose sight of common sense (nor indeed our humanity). This is enshrined in the law and in the guidance itself – you can do what is reasonable in exceptional circumstances that are not specifically covered, and this requires a degree of personal judgment.

With the benefit of hindsight perhaps the Government could have done more to communicate this aspect of the rules. In this case, the immediate welfare of a vulnerable four year old child was at stake and I am satisfied that the decisions made by Mr Cummings, at a time of enormous pressure, were in the best interests of his child and did not breach the rules, particularly given the exceptional nature of the death threats and hostility that his family were facing (and sadly continue to face) in their own home.

I have been advising constituents on a daily basis about the lockdown rules, and if a parent came to me in the same circumstances as Mr Cummings and asked if they could do what Mr Cummings did to protect their child, I would have said yes. I know not everyone will agree with me, but it is my honestly held belief that this does not mark a change in the substance or interpretation of the rules.

Some of the language and tone in this debate has been very unpleasant and I am deeply uncomfortable with the hounding of the Cummings family at their home. I know that many are finding it hard to cope during this crisis. It has led to quite a febrile atmosphere and I certainly share the Prime Minister’s regret at all the anger and upset that this whole episode has caused.

My overriding feeling now is that we need to draw a line under this issue and move on to more important matters. As your MP, I want to continue to focus on helping people, businesses and the country get through this crisis.

I am sure mistakes have been made by the Government as well as others, but I am confident that with a collective effort and compassion for everyone who is making difficult choices at this time, better times lie ahead.

Best wishes,"

Doggybiccys · 27/05/2020 17:33

@SophieB100 - can’t say I’m an avid Star reader but that front page is hilarious - cops confirm don’t drive if you’re blind GrinGrin

tobee · 27/05/2020 17:33

"He won a King's Scholarship to Eton then another scholarship to Oxford."

My point was that, in those days, unlike now when you need to get As and A* across the board, you didn't have to apply yourself to subjects you weren't interested in.

NoMoreReluctantCustodians · 27/05/2020 17:34

"move on" BINGO!

sleepingpup · 27/05/2020 17:36

D.C. may not have used his brain to good effect BUT in the grand scheme of the covid issue it is a very minor point

Minor except he helped design the rules and people were expected to follow them, sometimes at great personal cost. And then at the first sign of a problem he exploits them to their limit.

And he is paid £1,000s to use his brain to good effect. By US. The muppets who followed the rules. And then the gov twists themselves inside to justify what he has done. in the face of all common sense.

No not a minor point.

And yeah you can get eyesight problems, no dispute, but who drives for 45 mins to test them?

Don't read any press, just listen to their own answers - it's a disgrace.

Doggybiccys · 27/05/2020 17:38

@NotABeliever - I hope you’ve emailed back to say he’s lost your vote. I live in an area that is always going To be Tory or Lib Dem (Up until now anyway) so I always struggle at elections but some things are just too obscene to set aside - DC’s escapades being one of them.