Would you rather people who voted Tory or don't absolutely hate the Government just stayed silent on threads?

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As it seems pointless bothering on Mumsnet any more.

Personally I'm a bit sick of being called a bot because I voted Conservative.

There are a lot of threads with pained titles asking people to explain why they voted Tory/don't hate Boris Johnson etc but when it comes down to it noone is at all interested and it's just an excuse for a pile on.

YANBU - No, keep posting as I like to see both sides of an argument, I don't think you are a bot!

YABU - Yes, please just keep any Tory voting or opinions to yourself.

Keep posting! I'm sick of society's tendency towards pigeonholing and tribalist screeching. Calm debate is important.

I have always voted left of centre for the record (although am currently politically homeless).

I agree with InOneMinute. Either party can move towards the centre or outwards due to leadership and this has an effect on votes.

But actual debate based on facts is great. For instance - I think Boris is a terrible PM and the general handling of the pandemic has been appalling but Rishi Sunac's handling of the financial side has actually been pretty great and has certainly helped keep my employer afloat for which I am grateful

I think BJ hasn't been very good at all, I think he probably would have been fine without CV. I dont think the handling of the pandemic has been "appalling" but agree it could have been improved however hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I agree RS has been great and as a small business I am grateful for the furlough scheme.

I just can't get worked up about DC!

But actual debate based on facts is great. For instance - I think Boris is a terrible PM and the general handling of the pandemic has been appalling but Rishi Sunac's handling of the financial side has actually been pretty great

I entirely agree with this. I relish a good political discussion but they’re very rare on MN because people have such entrenched positions.

I’m totally sick of “What about Corbyn?” who was the reason I spoilt my paper in December and utterly fed up with sneering about my political stance without any intelligent discussion of the facts. I’d love it if the quality of political debate on MN improved but I’m not holding my breath.

Carry on.

I'm a Tory and proud.

And I like Boris.

Seriously, does anyone think LABOUR would have handled this better?

Come off it.

Some on here believe there view is the only view you can have and resort to name calling and claim you can't defend things they don't agree with
Yet they are probably the ones who blindly vote for the same party every election Just that they haven't had there party in for a few years
I don't have party allegiance

Seriously, does anyone think LABOUR would have handled this better?

See? This is exactly why people get pissed off with you.

But it's an entirely relevant view alsohuman!

We have ridiculously adversarial politics in this country.

Exactly that. Why can’t we just discuss the issues like grown ups? That comment added nothing.

Can you come post on my thread?! I genuinely want to hear different opinions even though I disagree with DC and BJ atm.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3919421-Whether-he-goes-or-stays-do-you-think-the-damage-is-done-To-Boris-another-Cummings-thread

Can you come post on my thread?

No way 😅

See? This is exactly why people get pissed off with you.

Why? The only choice we had was Boris OR Corbyn. So, questionning how well Corbyn would have handled the CV crisis is entirely justified.

The only valid question is whether we think Boris or Corbyn would have handled Covid better.

@Froxenfan it's totally about the leader as well as the general politics yes you always get your staunch supporters but labour lost those hugely
There were lots of traditional labour voters who would not vote whilst Corbyn was in charge ,
If the leader didn't matter you would stick anyone in charge , conservatives knew Boris was there best chance at the time going in general

Even I think its a bit pointless trying to imagine how Corbyn would have handled it! I'm quite enjoying not having to think about him any more tbh.

I'd like to know what KS and the rest of Labour would suggest, I wasn't that impressed with the discussion over schools.

What Cummings did was indefensible. I think if someone is blindly defending both him for doing it and Boris for backing him, because they are a Conservative voter, they deserve the replies they get.

Yesterday really brought home how stupid they think the British public are. Including their own voters.

And why can't we change who we vote for you don't have to be left or right . Different points in your life you may have different priorities and also no comparison in Tony blair and JC
Or even Boris and David Cameron
To only vote one party and never look at the alternatives ever is worse

So far I like Sunak and Starmer.

I don’t agree you have to stick doggedly to one side either.

I'm not really defending DC but for some reason I just cannot get worked up about it. No idea why! Dh is livid with him and dd2 thinks he was right to do what he did so maybe I've just discussed it to death in RL 🤣

There are plenty of tories here, but I guess it's all confirmation bias. No reason to get upset about opposing views. In terms of this pandemic, avoidable mistakes have been made by the government and that needs to be acknowledged. But some things they've handled well so far.

I don't quite understand the angst amongst tory voters, in the same way I don't understand the angst amongst leave voters. We'll have a tory government for the next 4 years, they're in power already. Theyve been in government for the past 10 years and probably another 10 to come. They are governing this country now. So why the hurt feelings?

The hurt feelings are purely about being called a shill, a bot and someone on another thread just implied me and another poster must be the same person. It's tiresome and annoying.

I'm happy for anyone who voted Tory to comment. Maybe they've come on to apologise for the shower of shite they have unleashed on us all.

There are other forums where a difference in allegiance can be discussed in an adult fashion, which has never been the case here.

This is so painfully true and applicable to many things on this forum

People who happen to have conservative political views and an ounce of intellect should keep discussing.

People who turn up on threads where people are understandably and rightly concerned about why our response to a pandemic was so out of line with many developed countries to the point of negligence to say things like:

• you're only having a go at Cummings because he is pro Brexit
• the press are only covering Cummings' hypocrisy and outright contempt for the British public because they're all part of a remain remoaner conspiracy

Etc can shut the hell up because they're either falling for the PR hook line and sinker, or they're Tory activists trying to spin Johnson's awful handling of this crisis and Cummings' behaviour as some sort of Brexit Vs Remain drama.

I'd like to know what KS and the rest of Labour would suggest, I wasn't that impressed with the discussion over schools.

Me too, and I adore Starmer in a way that isn't really appropriate for a politician, where there are no heroes.

I also can't get worked up about DC, and I detest him and all he stands for.

I don't know if it's outrage fatigue from all the "OMG you must not bring your disabled child for two walks a day" threads, or the fact that I don't think what he did was so terrible.

I guess I know in my heart that if I made a big drama out of this it would just be a justification for what I want anyway, which is Cummings gone.

The hurt feelings are purely about being called a shill, a bot and someone on another thread just implied me and another poster must be the same person. It's tiresome and annoying

Welcome to my world! You yourself intimidated recently that my views don’t count because I’m “political”.