To hope this racist woman loses her job

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twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920?s=19. Was appalled to see this video on Twitter - a guy in Central park, NYC, who was birdwatching, politely asked a woman to put her dog on the lead as per the regulation in that part of the park. He started filming it as she got abusive and called the cops, to say that she (white) and her dog were being threatened by an African-American man and could they send the police (as we know this can often result in a shooting).All the while she was holding her dog up by dangling it from its collar, half strangling it. The man left and his sister put the video on Twitter, resulting in the racist dog strangler being identified very quickly... she has a high powered job with an insurance company. The animal shelter took back the dog, and her company says she is on 'administrative leave' hopefully meaning she will get fired. I was really shocked and dismayed that such open racism is still going on, even though she was being filmed! Surely she must lose her job at least, what company would want to be linked to something like this?

The phrase we're going to use for that is 'bringing out the big guns'? It makes it seem so...well, trivial.

It’s mockery is what it is. That phrase in this context? Pretty vile.

@BlackKite but the crux of your point is that you want the public to never see these videos. All of your flowery language dresses up this one fact. Because you know the videos are powerful and that scares you.

Why was he filming her?

At a guess- instinct.

Yes why was he filming her? Could it be that she has said or done something that made him worry about his safety and wisely decided to start filming?

Or is it just too easy to think he was randomly filming a woman who was happily putting her dog on a lead because he's creepy and controlling and can never fear for his own safety?

Why was he filming her?

He's an evil black man and she's a weak defenceless white woman. I'm sure you would have supported the FBI storming in and shooting him then perhaps escorting her in a bullet proof car back to her residence. Perhaps with some tissues to dry her tears. I'm with you - white women really just get so overlooked and mistreated. Send that man to jail for even daring speak to her.

the crux of your point is that you want the public to never see these videos. All of your flowery language dresses up this one fact. Because you know the videos are powerful and that scares you.

I'm not trying to hide it. I would prefer the video shared once (if) the woman was convicted, or with her identity hidden so as to make the general point.

I say this not because the video is 'powerful' or because 'it scares me' (which reads like an implicit accusation of racism), but simply because I don't think social shaming is a good way of dealing with incidents like this.

I don’t understand what the value of social shaming is.

I read about this this morning but only just watched the video.

She’s a disgusting waste of oxygen. Hope she does lose her job. She lied to 911, he was not threatening her. Love the way she turns up the hysterics when he’d done nothing to her. She was calm initially and then ramped it up.

I’m not surprised he was filming her, he could probably guess what was coming. If there had been no film god knows what allegations she’d have made up. Even now people are like “ohhhh, I wonder what he did before”. When everything points to her being the irrational drama lama.

Also why was she so quick to give the dog back to the rescue? I’d die for my dog. Could it be one of those things where the dog remains the legal property of the rescue so she knew she couldn’t fight it? I’d have fought tooth and nail. Which in my book she’s she’s not a nice person.

Ever heard of the 2017 Delphi murders, everyone (dragging this off on a huge tangent, apologies - promise it's related)?

Two girls in the USA were murdered while out on a trail. Their case is particularly interesting as one of the girls recorded audio of someone telling them to 'get down the hill' and photos of a man walking towards them. Most people assume that's their killer and it's been a key piece of evidence.

Sometimes victims have a sense of what may be coming and have the presence of mind to record or leave evidence behind. Of course it isn't the same as those girls but I'd see what this man is doing as acting on a similar instinct.

but simply because I don't think social shaming is a good way of dealing with incidents like this

I get your point about public shaming, but how else can people be aware of what clearly goes on if we don't get to see?
Move along, nothing to see here type thing?
It raises awareness which is a good thing

There are quite a few posters on MN who don’t think racism exists or feel that any objection to racism is just people being sensitive.

I would prefer the video shared once (if) the woman was convicted

Do you realise how unlikely it is that she will be convicted of anything?

@Stripesgalore the people you refer to are racist. Whether they find that out when a black man threatens them or not is irrelevant. Just because a person says they are not racist in public and 'have that black friend' doesn't mean they're less of a racist because their true colours show under pressure.

@BlackKite but images lose their power when you can’t see the perpetrator’s face.

And unfortunately some of these cases only gain traction when they go viral, so they can’t be shared after a guilty verdict.

I am not suggesting they are less racist. I am saying people are more likely to reveal they are racist during altercations.

I don't think social shaming is a good way of dealing with incidents like this.

I think it is a superb way of dealing with things especially like this. If for nothing it alerts other would-be Karens that this shit is no longer being tolerated and they could get fired/destroy their whole lives if they happen to get the rage over a black person being happy within their vicinity.

Of course I don't like these videos but with this evidence hopefully the tide will turn meaning black men no longer being convicted because a white woman cried and indeed Karens realising the jig is up.

She’s a disgusting waste of oxygen. Hope she does lose her job. She lied to 911, he was not threatening her. Love the way she turns up the hysterics when he’d done nothing to her. She was calm initially and then ramped it up. Just this.

Her company have just tweeted, she’s been fired.

This is Christian Cooper's account of what happened:

Central Park this morning: This woman’s dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.

ME: Ma’am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It’s too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.
HER: What’s that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won’t come to you.
ME: We’ll see about that…
I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.

HER: DON’T YOU TOUCH MY DOG!!!!!

That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…

heavy.com/news/2020/05/christian-cooper-video/

It's really obvious - this is a man bossing a woman about. The important bit is this: 'That’s when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn…'

So he started to film her BEFORE 'her inner Karen emerged'.

She flat out lied that he was threatening her. As well as being disgraceful dishonesty, it could have resulted in police aggression towards him. Plus, it is wasting police time. You don’t start calling police claiming to be in immediate danger just because you’re arguing with some random in the park.

1) She let her dog off the leash.

In a protected wildlife area, clearly signposted

2) He ordered her to put it back on the leash

He correctly pointed out/asked her to stop breaking the rules and risking nesting birds. (The news rerport I've seen said "asked", I've not seen film including that bit perhaps you have?)

3) She refused

I think both sides agreed on that point

4) He tried to give food to her dog (could have been poison for all she knew).

Then she shouldn't have had her sodding dog on the loose in nesting/protected area. Its a common tactic used by wildlife watchers for uncontrolled dogs. Farmers just shoot them.

5) She got very upset

She got angry. I really don't see where you get fear from - she was marching over to him, he was not approaching her. The concern was in his voice not hers.

6) He starting filming her. You can see her in the distance bending over the dog. It looks like she's trying to put the lead on it.

Damned right he did. I would have done too.

7) She came over, very upset, begging him to stop filming her. He didn't

She wasn't begging, she was accosting him and telling him to stop filming in a public place. At no point in that film does he approach her.

8) At that point she pulled out the big guns. That's when it became a racial incident. But it wasn't before

He filmed her breaking the rules, she didn't like it so she immediately threatens to call the place and claim a black man was trying to kill her - a claim which she knows will bring armed police to a man who isn't committing a crime or threatening her or even moving toward her.

She changes the tone of her voice when she calls the police into a higher pitched breathier tone.

How the hell you read that as her being the poor scared one in this situation beggers belief.

I get your point about public shaming, but how else can people be aware of what clearly goes on if we don't get to see?

I see your point as well, but I think there may be better ways of rectifying the issue than the social media jungle.

And is there a single person on this thread (or anywhere) that has gone "wow, I never knew racism existed, but this video has shown it for me for the first time"? We all know racism exists.

Do you realise how unlikely it is that she will be convicted of anything?

We don't know that unless it is reported to the Police.

Take race out of it. A man approaches a woman in a park with no one else around. Challenges her about her dog. Offers food to the dog. Films the woman when she gets upset and tells him to leave her alone. That is creepy and controlling.

I'm not condoning what she did, far from it, but he was out of order as well. If you try to push around a stranger you might get more than you bargained for. That's why most of us don't do it.

She did beg, though. Watch the video. 'Will you please stop. Sir, I'm asking you to stop. Sir, I'm asking you to stop filming me. Please take your phone off.'

@NotTerfNotCis can you just take a moment to reflect on the incredible effort you are going to to frame this incident as one where this woman is the victim?

You ask us to take race out of it as if there is any way to divorce this incident from the fact that she weaponised race against this man.

You say he approached her in the park when his and her account both agree that he happened to already be in the area, watching birds, when she came in with her dog.

You say he ‘challenged’ her - why use that word, instead of the far more appropriate ‘asked’.

You say ‘if you try to push around a stranger you might get more than you bargained for’. What about his behaviour (speaking to her calmly and politely from a distance) makes you characterise it as him pushing her around? And why use this phrase, which implies that her threatening to call the police on him (with the specific racist undertone of calling upon police brutality) was a reasonable response to him asking her to comply with the rules?

You describe her ‘begging’ him to stop, a deliberately emotive word implying victimhood on her part when the video shows her strident and aggressive. Why don’t you use the same word to describe him asking her not to approach him, over and over again?

You describe him as a Harvard graduate, as if that makes him immune from racism - as if he had a sign around his neck letting this woman know where he studied.

You describe him as pushy, creepy, controlling, challenging, ordering. You describe her as begging, terrified and upset.

Ask yourself why you are going out of your way to use such coded language. Ask yourself why you are trying to hard to view the woman as the victim in this situation. Ask yourself why you have mischaracterised the situation so completely that it’s clear you either haven’t watched the video, or have decided to disregard the video in favour of your own manufactured narrative.

Ask yourself what biases and prejudices are at play in your own psyche that are leading you to twist so spectacularly into knots to defend the aggressor and condemn the victim in this situation.

True colours show under pressure. Keywords - true colours

It wouldn't show if it didn't exist, pressure or not.

...loose the veneers of inclusivity when under pressure.
Keyword - Veneer, so fake then? It came off when cracked.

Why was he filming her?

Because white women like her scare him. She didn’t suddenly start being nasty when he started filming her, She was obviously a nasty piece of work. He’ll have come across her type many times before. He was protecting himself, and damn right he should. She’s a dangerous woman.