To hope this racist woman loses her job

[TildaKauskumholm]

twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920?s=19. Was appalled to see this video on Twitter - a guy in Central park, NYC, who was birdwatching, politely asked a woman to put her dog on the lead as per the regulation in that part of the park. He started filming it as she got abusive and called the cops, to say that she (white) and her dog were being threatened by an African-American man and could they send the police (as we know this can often result in a shooting).All the while she was holding her dog up by dangling it from its collar, half strangling it. The man left and his sister put the video on Twitter, resulting in the racist dog strangler being identified very quickly... she has a high powered job with an insurance company. The animal shelter took back the dog, and her company says she is on 'administrative leave' hopefully meaning she will get fired. I was really shocked and dismayed that such open racism is still going on, even though she was being filmed! Surely she must lose her job at least, what company would want to be linked to something like this?

@CaribouCarafe
If you are white, please take the time to really consider what ethnic minorities are saying when they tell you that something is racist - you need to trust them and their lived experiences.

@sugarlost
Unfortunately there are many people who have views like hers and they can live and work in multicultural places.

Both these statements hold so much truth for me. The worst racism I have ever faced in my life has been from people working in so-called multicultural places. They are the worst at listening, because they have designated themselves as the guardians of anti-racism, tolerance, inclusion, etc. so listening, understanding and accepting might make them have to (horror of horrors) confront potential racism in their own actions. Denial, victim blaming, bullying, false tears, accusations of intimidation, accusations of anti-Semitism, of homophobia - all of that was slung at me simply so white do-gooders could continue to feel good about themselves, to avoid admitting that they had made an error of judgement over a particular document which was being shared and which it had been pointed out was racist. All they had to say was 'We never looked at that way, thanks for pointing it out, we apologise for any offense caused and will be more vigilant in future' end of story. But it didn't end like that. It ended with me resigning for my sanity. And what happened to my white colleagues who called it out alongside me? NOTHING. It wasn't until I read the Ahmaud Arberry thread and heard the term 'white fragility' that it all made sense. It had me in tears because it so perfectly summed up what I experienced, but it had to take a white woman to say it for it to be heard.

@Honeybee85 I'm half white - I can't hate half of what I am. I dislike racism and have merely pointed out that white women are incredibly dangerous. As we have even seen in this thread you wanted to centre your own issues as being even remotely similar. It's such a white woman thing to do.

@zscaler

1. I didn't minimize anyone's experience.

Only mine got minimized.

1. If someone gives a statement that's incorrect I can react to that and give my own experience as an example.

You are the intolerant and hostile one here purely because I have different opinion that doesn't suit you.

^Sigh. You really don't get it do you.
I am simply using a personal example to state why I think racism against white people does exist.^

But I see so much anger, resulting in hostility on this threat from posters like you and others towards anyone who dares to have a different opinion then you that it has become impossible to have a normal discussion.

I get it fine.

One person made a comment about white people not getting racism and you leapt on it. It's undignified.

I'm white. Did you see me leap on it? No, because I don't need to shout NotAllWhites everytume someone says something about white people as a class. Doing that distracts from the main issues. The priority is for black men and women not to need bodycams, not for ethnic minority men and women to weaken their campaigning by adding footnotes. They don't need to tiptoe around reasonably decent white people's feelings. If we're reasonably decent, it naturally follows that we can let black people shout about someone attempting to frame an innocent black man without leaping on a chance to be insulted.

White People Cannot Experience Racism

ALL people can but yes, white is much much more rare. But it's possible.

She is an evil bitch and was desperate to get him in trouble and I think she should lose her job and be humiliated ffs she tried to endanger him, his life at the very least.

I watched it and wanted to reach in and do to her what she was doing to the dog. As for the sudden pathetic change in her voice when on the phone, ugh , disgusting little racist.

To the deluded saying he shouldn't have recorded it , he HAD TO RECORD IT, because he knows full well from experience what could and does happen. She could have made up all sorts that he said /did.

Those making excuses for her are disgusting too. Shame on you all.

Sigh. You really don't get it do you

You don’t think that the above comment was minimising a woman of colour’s experiences of racism? Genuinely? Might want to think a bit deeper about that one.

I am simply using a personal example to state why I think racism against white people does exist.

And whatever caused it to even occur to you to think that a thread about a black man’s life being threatened by a white woman was the opportune moment for you to claim that you’ve been a victim of the same thing because your MIL doesn’t like your baby? You could have started your own thread about that it it’s something for which you want support, but no - you had to try and turn this thread into a conversation about your experiences. And because other people weren’t willing to centre your experience and give the validation you wanted, you’re labelling them intolerant and hostile.

Isn't it ironic how it always turns out to be the people crying 'racist' are the racists themselves.

@VladmirsPoutine

Did I say my experiences are similar?

No but you like to use that argument because it fits your agenda.

I simply reacted to your statement that white people can not experience racism.
I used my own experience as an example.
Because surely if I simply wrote: racism against white people exists without an example then you surely would immediately have jumped on me and demand proof.

It's a shame you are not open to others opinions about this and you launch personal attacks on me purely based on me being white.

These threads always go the same way. Random people on the internet of any particular political persuasion don’t get to define racism or make the ultimate judgement on who is or is not the victim of racism or what racism entails.

That would be the job of the UN.

It has plenty of resources looking at racism, racial discrimination and xenophobia around the world and what communities are doing about it.

@Honeybee85

She [MIL] doesn't like white people.

And yet your other thread (in which MIL lets you and your DH let live rent free in her house), says:

They are genuinely nice people and they are always friendly with me.

Which is the truth I wonder?

As an Irish child in England in the 70s I was called Mick, Paddy and Bog-Trotter. I was spat on at school after the Birmingham pub bombing, and threatened with rape (aged 8) by the 12 year old son of an army officer, before I knew the meaning of the words used.

How dare you deny my experiences of racism, having already dared to deny the sexism and ageism of the term 'Karen'.

These aren't micro-aggressions, they are macro.

It's like walking into a 1970s meeting of the Monday Club!

The only reason I don't report is because it is good for everyone to see the denial of anti-Irish racism, or the sexism of 'Karen' for what it is.

To deny racism against the Irish or the inherent sexism of 'Karen' is to fuel the inequality. Only sexist, racist c*nts could be so blind. But I never thought I would see it on Mumsnet.

It just occurred to me. Was she purposely choking the dog so the police would hear it yelping, to make it sound more urgent along with her fake scared voice. Nasty evil bitch.

It's a shame you are not open to others opinions about this and you launch personal attacks on me purely based on me being white.

White woman playing the victim. Where/How do you learn this shit? @Honeybee85 you've perfected the art! I'm impressed!

It's a shame you are not open to others opinions about this and you launch personal attacks on me purely based on me being white

Do you see how even now you’re using your privilege as a white woman against a woman of colour? All Vladimir has done is challenge your opinions but you’re characterising it as ‘personal attacks’ - and insisting they are racially motivated to boot. This is exactly what people mean when they talk about white woman’s tears. You’re relying on your white privileged to ensure that people will side with you, the poor fragile white woman who is being attacked, against Vladimir, the hostile, aggressive woman of colour who is attacking you.

Hi! I'm still white! VladimirsPoutine hasn't attacked me for purely being white on this theead or any other. In fact, if she went round doing that, she would have been banned from MN. There's lots of white people on this site.

Your post was like a man complaining about his stinking headache in a room of women in labour, and got the same reception.

@annamie

That was something I posted a year ago.
In that year it became obvious that MIL ignored me and DS and I recently had a talk with DH where it came out he is very sure she indeed prefers her other grandchild because this baby is fully Asian.

Unless you know everything about my life you have no way to know what happened in it.

Your post was like a man complaining about his stinking headache in a room of women in labour, and got the same reception

Good analogy
This middle aged white woman agrees

Would also like to point out that I’m a white woman too and don’t feel attacked by @VladmirsPoutine or anyone else pointing out that all white people benefit from racism, because 1) it’s true and 2) it’s my job as a human trying to be decent to do whatever I can to challenge and dismantle the oppressive mechanisms of institutional racism.

@Honeybee85

maybe it's because you don't let them see your child as much as your H's sibling does? Your post says:

I am sure they will be great and doting grandparents but I already made an agreement with DH that they will not come to the hospital after birth before I say that I feel ready for visitors. I am afraid they will come to water the baby too grin

Saying white people are also the victims of racism is just a stopover on the way to Klansville.

Exactly. White people as a group have not experienced centuries of systemic and institutionalised racism. It's so appalling when people bleat on about racism suffered by whites.

Black people in america know they have a much greater chance of surviving these encounters if its filmed.

@annamie

What do you want, my DH's phone number so he can confirm what he told me about his DM?

Also a white woman here and I agree with what @VladmirsPoutine is saying.

I do have a lot of sympathy for what Pippa is saying though. Technically, anti-Irish attitudes would be xenophobia or prejudice, as it is white-on-white, but when you look at the history of English attitudes toward the Irish, there was a long period of time when they were considered an inferior and uncivilised race (as 'race' was understood at that time) and those attitudes have not entirely disappeared. And there is certainly a long history of oppression there as well, legitimated by anti-Catholic and anti-Irish sentiments. So I think this is a somewhat special case.