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Ikeasucks · 2020-05-26T09:31:53+00:00

Why are orgs and businesses just capitulating to this bullying? [[https://mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1265201870437519360]]

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 27/05/2020 08:32

Presumably GMB did their research before hitting on mumsnet as a location for these clinics?

They didn't just hit "I'm feeling lucky" on google and go with whatever url came back first.

I think heads should roll at GMB for the massive massive oversight in not realising that it was a hotbed and gulag recruiting grounds for awful tervy wimmin who refuse to know their place.

Lordfrontpaw · 27/05/2020 08:35

They may have researched mumsnet - but not the twitter loons. Still - is this the group you want fighting for corned in an employment tribunal? Not exactly Rocky are they, more Elmer Fudd?

NotBadConsidering · 27/05/2020 08:36

“We saw Mumsnet as a great place to recruit new women and mums as members until a group of men on Twitter told us not to”

suggestionsplease1 · 27/05/2020 08:38

@NotBadConsidering

but if they are seen to not be doing enough to challenge it amongst their fans

It will never be enough though. No matter what MNHQ says, what Justine says in the media, as long as women are discussing their rights it will be deemed transphobic. MNHQ has done all of those football club analogies. It has denounced transphobia. It moderates it when it’s reported. The Feminism Chat section is the only place to have an extra set of guidelines specifically about this topic where truths aren’t allowed to be said. And it’s still not enough. The only goal is the complete end of Mumsnet. A well known TRA said exactly that. On Twitter .

It will never be enough and we all know it.

If it's being driven by people with an agenda and a campaign, the best thing to do is not to give them any ammunition to take to these other organisations.

If you feel organisations like GMB are being unfairly swayed by argumentation but lack of evidence I think you have to challenge that with your own argumentation - pointing out what you've said, that Mumsnet is doing all it can, that the overall good that is achieved through Mumsnet outweighs the harm done by some transphobic posts etc etc.

NotBadConsidering · 27/05/2020 08:42

No, I don’t think so. I am not trying to persuade them. I have pointed out that Mumsnet moderates transphobia. I have pointed out there are specific guidelines for discussing gender and sex. The lack of anyone who claims to see transphobia here being able to post examples is telling. How can I prove a negative? But it’s not my role to demonstrate that. It’s GMB’s job to investigate that.

In terms of good done vs bad: those women lose out vs transphobic posts that no one can produce. I think that’s pretty clear.

BlackberryCane · 27/05/2020 08:44

@NotBadConsidering

“We saw Mumsnet as a great place to recruit new women and mums as members until a group of men on Twitter told us not to”

Until a group of men on a site infested with Nazis told us to.

suggestionsplease1 · 27/05/2020 08:47

Haven't plenty people said they've seen transphobic posts? It's just that they're usually removed swiftly by moderators. I imagine people with an agenda are getting the screenshots before this happens, so they do have their evidence. Unfortunately these records are probably enough to sway other organisations.

Pertella · 27/05/2020 08:51

Haven't plenty people said they've seen transphobic posts?

Yes, but as established what actually constitutes transphobia is down to individual interpretation. We had a poster earlier saying MN was transphobic who later made a transphobic comment themselves and then was upset to be told as much!

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 27/05/2020 08:52

that individual transphobic posts do not make an entire site transphobic, and Mumsnet appears to delete these. I think there is a climate here at times that is ripe for people with transphobic atttitudes to express them, but I accept that may be an unfortunate side-effect of impassioned arguments and robust discussion on a difficult subject, and Mumsnet need to continue to review posts and remove as appropriate

Agree, the site has racist posters and homophobic posters and disablist posters

But moderation and reporting seems to deal with this, I don’t understand how twitter and Facebook are considered to be fine when mumsnet isnt (i do understand actually....but I don’t get the ‘logic‘)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/05/2020 08:53

Until this motley bunch told us not to:

With thanks to LordFrontPaw

https://twitter.com/billbaggins96/status/1265392109328220161?s=21

Pertella · 27/05/2020 08:53

I imagine people with an agenda are getting the screenshots before this happens

Its people with agendas who are making the comments! It has been shown that the group that want to shut MN down sign up just to make these comments.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 27/05/2020 08:54

@NotBadConsidering

That argument from GMB seems to be:

Mumsnet is apparently transphobic, because Twitter says so. There are women who post there who really need our help, but we are going to punish them by proxy by making Mumsnet address this apparent organisational transphobia. Until that happens, we can’t possibly help any women with employment issues. We don’t know what constitutes transphobia. We don’t know how Mumsnet plan to fix it, but in the meantime, we won’t help women who need our help because they asked for help on a site that people on Twitter ironically say is bad.

So explain to me why the GMB can’t help those women who posted their problems?

And this

There’s loads of good thoughtful posts on here

NotBadConsidering · 27/05/2020 08:55

It's just that they're usually removed swiftly by moderators

Yes. Ergo Mumsnet is not transphobic.

people with an agenda are getting the screenshots before this happens, so they do have their evidence. Unfortunately these records are probably enough to sway other organisations.

They have evidence that Mumsnet is a post-moderation site, not a pre-moderation site. That is all.

So do you think that GMB should withdraw their support for women in employment trouble because of this?

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Ikeasucks · 27/05/2020 08:55

This is a journalist commenting on mumsnet’s transphobia, this is her proof - these are the people attacking mumsnet twitter.com/vicparsons_/status/1232738940433707008?s=20

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BlackberryCane · 27/05/2020 08:56

@suggestionsplease1

Haven't plenty people said they've seen transphobic posts? It's just that they're usually removed swiftly by moderators. I imagine people with an agenda are getting the screenshots before this happens, so they do have their evidence. Unfortunately these records are probably enough to sway other organisations.

Yet only on a site dominated by women. Twitter itself has much worse, but by remarkable coincidence, this isn't seen as a reason not to use that platform. Everyone on twitter whining about MN being a nest of transphobia is a snivelling hypocrite as well as a misogynist.

NotBadConsidering · 27/05/2020 09:00

Good example there. It is an immutable fact that there are only two sexes, but by me writing this someone could easily take that as evidence of “transphobia” on Mumsnet.

(As an aside, can’t believe another person has lost their job for that )

Original poster

Ikeasucks · 27/05/2020 09:02

“Haven't plenty people said they've seen transphobic posts?”

Next - we’ll discuss how long a piece of string is - and I will decide.

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isabellerossignol · 27/05/2020 09:02

Plenty of people say they've seen Bigfoot too. Doesn't mean that they actually have.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/05/2020 09:03

This poll on Twitter, which is probably parody trolling, got 142,649 participants. If you want to see what kind of comment about trans people Twitter deems ok, that you could never ever post on Mumsnet, you can read some of the tweets below. If you're sensitive about transphobia, I'd suggest that you don't.

twitter.com/TTransgenderism/status/1263177394891956230?s=20

BlackberryCane · 27/05/2020 09:09

But look, GMB can't be expected to apply the same standards to twitter, because that isn't a female dominated site so they're allowed actual transphobia.

DickKerrLadies · 27/05/2020 09:14

@Ereshkigalangcleg

This poll on Twitter, which is probably parody trolling, got 142,649 participants. If you want to see what kind of comment about trans people Twitter deems ok, that you could never ever post on Mumsnet, you can read some of the tweets below. If you're sensitive about transphobia, I'd suggest that you don't.

twitter.com/TTransgenderism/status/1263177394891956230?s=20

Well, twitter had a nice run while it lasted. Shame it's obviously going to be shut down now due to the transphobia which, unlike on MN, seems to be tolerated. I'm sure that will happen. Any day now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/05/2020 09:14

The very idea of expecting MEN to tone it down!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/05/2020 09:16

Yes, what will we do when Twitter is brought down by transactivists?

NotBadConsidering · 27/05/2020 09:17

“Twitter: too big, too embedded in daily use, no point pursuing actual transphobia.

Facebook: too big, too embedded in daily use, no point pursuing actual transphobia.

Mumsnet: not too big, easily disposable because we don’t rely on on it, easy to target, women discussing their rights seems transphobic...yep, let’s go after that.”

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/05/2020 09:22

Funnily enough, the main group of people who get sanctioned by Twitter and Facebook for "transphobia" appear to be:

Feminist women talking about women's rights!

Male GC allies don't get banned/targeted so readily. Millions upon millions of genuinely transphobic comments remain up.