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Third thread!

@Clavinova if you agree with his actions (which is ok even if I disagree) what do you think about No 10 not responding til the story was about to run? And DC taking 3 days to make a statement?

It's quite amusing that Keir Starmer only has a net approval rating of 12% and Rishi Sunak has 20%

metro.co.uk/2020/05/26/boris-johnsons-approval-rating-drops-20-since-cummings-saga-12758046/

Boris is at -1% net approval

His wife also wrote in The Spectator that he couldn't get out of bed for ten days but his story was he drove to hospital to collect his son. One of them or both of them are lying.

Did you not hear Gove this morning

No, I didn't listen to Michael Gove this morning - did he say no symptoms or feeling a little better? Dominic Cummings said yesterday that he returned to No 10 where everyone else either had coronavirus symptoms or had already been ill with coronavirus - I assume they were socially distancing on that day even if they had been lapse before. He said he travelled by car and didn't use public transport. I think he has taken adequate precautions.

No, I didn't listen to Michael Gove this morning - did he say no symptoms or feeling a little bette

He was at pains to point out that the symptoms she had were not the symptoms of Covid-19 and therefore he was right to come back to work after going to see if she was ok.

That was in response to a question about "Should he have self isolated straightaway if he knew his wife had symptoms of Covid-19 instead of going home and then coming back to work"

No clav. When Give was asked if he'd do the same re travelling to test his eye sight he said he had. With his wife beside him been in a trip to "ooh what are we calling it again" then when the reporter laughed and asked how he was now going to get out of that hole he also laughed and said he's a rubbish driver so no point asking him - it took him 7 times to pass his test.

He actually without saying as much graciously laughed and realised he couldn't actually say it was sensible (because it isn't) and also knew he couldn't actually admit to doing it because if the dubiousness around whether that would have been legal or not.

It was quite funny

Boris is at -1% net approval

Rishi for PM in 5 years then.
what do you think about No 10 not responding til the story was about to run? And DC taking 3 days to make a statement?

Poorly managed.

His wife also wrote in The Spectator that he couldn't get out of bed for ten days

I expect she exaggerated by a few days - although I once dragged myself out of bed with flu for 30 mins to take my dc to school - not keen to do it again.

I just don’t know why people can be bothered defending these two. Why this need to believe they are above reproach?

They lie about everything. It’s only a few months since they tried to tell us they were gong to prorogue Parliament, but nooo, it had nothing to do with silencing the Brexit critics. Even when the high court went against BJ, he didn’t apologise. So no, they won’t take any responsibility for this. If there is a backlash and people stop bothering with social distancing (which judging by Hyde Park today has already happened), yes, more people will die, but never mind eh? As long as Cummings keeps his job.

it took him 7 times to pass his test

If she did not have symptoms of Covid -19 on Fri March 27th, then maybe they developed during the drive that evening.

Certainly Dominic Cummings drove up and was ok - but got il on Sat March 28th.

On Thursday 2nd April, his wife and son went to hospital.

Dominic couldn't stand up - but on Friday 3rd April, he drove to collect them.

How does that fit in with 14 days self isolation and protecting NHS resources?

It's a few pages ago now but I just love that bit about Barney Castle being a colloquialism for a bullshit excuse!

I'm going to refer to Cummings as Barney Castle from now on

I expect she exaggerated by a few days

Oh exaggerated, you mean what ordinary people call 'lying'

@itsgettingweird I saw that interview. It was brilliant. I really do not like Gove but I almost felt sorry for him

Cho a dodgy timeline. if we assume that she did have covid on 27/3/2020 then she shouldn't have gone to hospital on 2/4. Even if what she did have, wasn't in fact covid, she should have been isolating from 28/3 for 14 days as Cummings said he developed symptoms that day.

I absolutely believe he had it. Everyone around him did so there's no reason to assume he escaped knowing what we do about the virus and it's transmission.

He would have finished isolation on Saturday 4th. If she had had covid - which isn't clear if they think she did or not - hers finished on 3/4 or 10/4.

Therefore going to Barnard castle was out of isolation period. The question remains around essential journey.

We also don't know if they told hospital about his suspected covid, her symptoms and the timeline. We also don't know if she had PPE extra in hospital. We can't say about spreading infection.

What we can question though is if they knew why did she get to go in when other parents were denied this. The guidance around staying with children in hospital did change at some point. Anyone know when that was.

It's nit the nitty gritty that's the issue.

It's the travelling to a second home in case they needed childcare and taking a non essential journey whilst at their second home.

It's Grant Shapps I feel for. Desperate to talk about the A66 and trams - and Dominic Cummings hadn't bothered to speak to him at all about what happened.

If she did not have symptoms of Covid -19 on Fri March 27th

When was nausea and vomiting declared a symptom of coronavirus?

Dominic couldn't stand up

He is quoted as saying, “I could barely stand up" - he says he didn't get out of the car.

If you were a lawyer, you would need a whiteboard for this.

With the timeline outlined....

I am surprised none of the journalists had a white board yesterday

I don't care about Shapps, he's anybody's for a favour and he doesn't know the meaning of shame so it won 't be an embarrassment to him.

I'm feeling for the Police today actually, they must be raging at the total waste of time and resources spent trying to enforce instructions that apparently never existed.

We also don't know if they told hospital about his suspected covid, her symptoms and the timeline.

We know that the boy had a coronavirus test.

When was nausea and vomiting declared a symptom of coronavirus

This is what Gove said this morning - he clearly said she did not have symptoms

He is quoted as saying, “I could barely stand up" - he says he didn't get out of the car

So he could barely stand up - which makes sense, given he was bed bound for 10 days and had been ill since Saturday morning.

And then he drove to the hospital in Durham.

I wonder if his family could drive - the ones who were in Durham.

But keep digging your hole.

Gove the gaslighter.

Kate McCann
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Michael Gove told
@KayBurley
just now that when Dominic Cummings drove to Barnard Castle on the 14th April the rules allowed people to drive for exercise but that’s not the case. The rules were relaxed in mid-May

twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1265188308449140736?s=20

We know that the boy had a coronavirus test

In hospital.

Do you know how long it takes to process a test? Clue - it's not very quick

We are not the only people with questions. From Paul Brand ITV

NEW: I understand @TomTugendhat has also been excluded from tomorrow’s Liaison committee grilling of the PM, alongside @Tobias_Ellwood.

One MP claims Bernard Jenkin was ordered to do so by the whips.

Another says “Stopping Tory MPs asking a Tory PM questions...the new normal.”

@Clavinova What do you think of Cummings editing his blog posts to pretend he'd predicted coronavirus coming and THEN lying about it yesterday?

www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/2020/05/dominic-cummings-press-conference-blog-predicted-covid-19-coronavirus

It's such a silly thing to bring up and now it's arguably called everything into doubt.

Clavinova I do admire you for being the only voice disagreeing with all of this and keep coming back to discuss, that’s not easy!
However, I’m afraid I disagree with you too. From the very beginning of all this we were told to Stay Home but if we were experiencing symptoms, that meant self isolating as a family for 14 days. I cannot agree that driving 260 miles up the motorway with your symptoms free child was in his best interest. You've just spent 4-5 hours in a confined space, making it a blooming miracle his son did t get it! I refuse to believe that Mary’s brother, one of Cummings good friends, who actually introduced them, would not have been your emergency back up childcare should the, frankly, unlikely event that both parents become so seriously ill. I’ve had friends with children who have had this and had to just stick the tv on all day whilst they stay in bed. Emergency would be both parents needing to go to hospital. I think the sister would also have been on standby to drive down.
So I don’t believe he had childcare issues any more than thousands others had.
Then there’s the trip out on Mary’s birthday. I think it took them 3 days to try and invent a story about ‘checking eyesight’ and to practice not smirking as he said this. I’ve never heard such a load of unbelievable rubbish. If they were that worried about his driving why didn’t she just drive home??
It just doesn’t add up in my head. I think that’s how a lot of people are feeling, there’s too many far fetched elements to this that makes the whole story too hard to believe.