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Third thread!

GuyFawkesDay
Charming.

Please @Clavinova, for the sake of retaining some credibility, stop digging.

His son tested negative for coronavirus and a poster on another thread worked out that his wife was just over the 7 day period after symptoms

And where did that test get done?
At home or at the hospital

There is also the fact that you are supposed to self isolate for 14 days when you are with someone who has had symptoms.

f you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill.

And we know that she never had the disease - but she was with someone who had the disease.

Wakefield wrote all about how they were "double-COVID" parents during this time frame, I recall.

So we were asked not to visit second homes even if seemingly well in case we needed medical attention while there.

They did go to a second home, they did need medical attention while there, and they were very certain before that they had coronavirus.

Their son tested negative you say? Would that be the tests that have been reported this week to have a false negative rate of 25%, according to doctors?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/25/doctors-condemn-secrecy-over-false-negative-covid-19-tests

If you had to stake your life on it, would you swear neither of them could have been infectious when they entered those hospital doors?

It's been clearly stated by Gove this morning that she did not have the symptoms of Covid 19 when he came back to work initially in Downing Street.

YouGov also said 27% of those surveyed believe Cummings should not resign while 14% answered “don’t know”.
The data showed 52% of those surveyed who voted Leave at the 2016 EU referendum want Mr Cummings to resign, with 38% answering “should not resign” and 10% “don’t know”.

The Guardian forgot to mention - 46% of people who voted Conservative think he should resign and 46% think he should stay - 8% don't know.

The son was tested at the hospital.
Regardless of it being negative - that is not the point.

The point is that his wife and son used local NHS resources and could have been carrying Covid-19.

Which is one of the reasons were were asked to stay at home

But you carry on

Extract:

Swab tests are known to be unreliable. Doctors and hospital bosses have told the Guardian that about 25% of those carried out during the pandemic wrongly said that a carrier was not infected. Medical research has found that as many as 29% yield a false negative.

"The HCSA, which represents thousands of frontline medics, is worried that staff wrongly declared to be virus-free after being tested could lead to patients becoming infected while in hospital.

"Boris Johnson recently told MPs thathospital-acquired Covid-19was leading to an “epidemic” of patient deaths. A PHE study last week found that as many as 20% of inpatients and 90% of healthcare workerscontracted the virus while in hospital.

"In a strongly worded letter to PHE, the HCSA’s general secretary, Dr Paul Donaldson, a consultant microbiologist, said: “Statements by PHE offcials and others place the incidence of false negatives somewhere between 20% and 30%. If confirmed, this is a worryingly high rate which raises the prospect of many infected individuals, possibly without symptoms, being passed fit to return to healthcare settings where they will transmit SARS-CoV-2 to colleagues and patients.”

he Guardian forgot to mention - 46% of people who voted Conservative think he should resign and 46% think he should stay - 8% don't know

Maybe they should have done. That''s pretty damning, isn't it.

would you swear neither of them could have been infectious when they entered those hospital doors?

Of course not but that is the case for anyone who may or may not have had coronavirus.

I always thought it was stay at home for 7 days after symptoms had gone? I don't see the point in being able to go out if you're still able to pass the virus on.

Alsohuman

I saw your prediction early that if Boris wasn’t gone by Christmas you’d eat your shoe.

I think you’ve got an interesting Xmas dinner to look forward to!

But then I think an awful lot of the guidance has been absolute bollocks.

Maybe they should have done.That''s pretty damning, isn't it.

Not half as bad as the figures they did publish.

Of course not but that is the case for anyone who may or may not have had coronaviru

True - but especially likely if you have a partner / parent who you are self isolating with who has Covid 19

But you keep digging

Of course not but that is the case for anyone who may or may not have had coronavirus.

Then maybe they should have stayed in London, eh?

*Not half as bad as the figures they did publish(

But pretty bad - when nearly half your voters think he should go, then there is a problem.

Still, the longer this goes on, the more amusing this is.

It's the cover up

"If you have symptoms of coronavirus, self-isolate for 7 days."

After 7 days:
"you can stop self-isolating if your symptoms have gone, or if you just have a cough or changes to your sense of smell or taste–these symptoms can last for weeks after the infection has gone"
"keep self-isolating if you have any other symptoms (such as a high temperature, runny nose, feeling sick or diarrhoea)–you can stop self-isolating when your symptoms have gone"

So it isn't just isolate for 7 days. The symptoms can last quite a long time in some people.

But pretty bad - when nearly half your voters think he should go, then there is a problem.
Still, the longer this goes on, the more amusing this is.

It's quite amusing that Keir Starmer only has a net approval rating of 12% and Rishi Sunak has 20%.

Tobias Ellwood and Mark Harper speaking out. Interesting times on the Conservative WhatsApp I'll bet.

It's quite amusing that Keir Starmer only has a net approval rating of 12% and Rishi Sunak has 20%

It’s not really. As I said earlier (and you conveniently ignored) I’d expect Sunak’s approval rating to be sky high, considering the majority of the country is benefiting from his largesse. 20% looks pretty paltry to me.

"If you have symptoms of coronavirus, self-isolate for 7 days

Did you not hear Gove this morning clearly say that it was ok for Cummings to come back after he initally went home to see his wife because she did not have symptoms?

Unless Gove was mistaken

And when Boris is still Prime Minister at Christmas, we’ll know what the rest of that political analysis is worth...

Keir Starmer isn't PM. I would be interested to know what Rishi Sunak,s approval rating was before this fiasco and him coming out in defence. He was quite popular by all accounts?