Have you thought ‘fuck it’ to lockdown because Dominic Cummings did? Poll!

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Interested in how many peoples views on lockdown have changed. I know mine have and that of most of my family and friends.

YABU - nope, still resolutely sticking to the rules
YANBU - fuck it, if it’s ok for him to tour the country with a car full of coronavirus then I can go visit my mum?

Due to circumstances I can’t actually go visit my mum. But after this, if I could be doing then I would be doing.

I will stick to the rules.

And if I had a vulnerable family member I would visit them because that's in the rules anyway.

But I'm not going to have a dinner party or a barbecue and invite everyone round.

Not sure which way to vote. I am starting to take lockdown less seriously, but not because of Cummings. More because of the recent evidence (reduced UK infection rates, mortality rates confirming very low risk for under 60s, lack of a second peak in the countries who have already relaxed lockdown).

As my mother would say:

“If he stuck his hand in the fire, would you?”

I have observed lockdown to keep my family and the families of others safe, not to please Dominic Cummings. So no, I'm carrying on as I was.

As my mother would say:

“If he stuck his hand in the fire, would you?”

Nope.

But he didn’t stick his hand in the fire. He went to visit his mammy after telling the rest of us not to.

No. He might not give a toss about the safety of others but I do.

If my mum was alive I'd visit her. If my dad didn't live 4 hours away I'd visit him. If DH's parents were up for seeing us I'd visit them. If any of the places I want to go were open I'd go. I'm sticking to the rules but not really through my own choice.

I think the point here is not how individual mumsnetters feel and how we women so often shame and guilt trip each other over rules, clapping etc. It is that Boris has - by inserting an element of discretion - completely undermined the govt authority in its general protective rule-making for the pandemic. Now, that happens to suit the govt for the moment I believe, because I feel that they are motivated to undermine their own lockdown rules for economic reasons. They actively want the rules to lack traction I believe. I have never obeyed their rules but I he more stringent WHO advice, for that very reason.

But, later, if there is a resurgence of the illness and they feel obliged to order a lockdown again, that is when I think the Cummings discretion effect will be seen and will be really dangerous. But the cynic in me again feels that even having said that, it could well be that they intend for the second lockdown not to be effective either anyway. For me, the contempt that Boris and Cummings have shown for their own rules reveals that in fact the rules were only made as lip service for the vulnerable to comfort themselves with anyway.

So yes, for the public as a group, Yanbu.

Yep, the whole thing has made me lose any tiny respect for the government response/guidelines. While I'm not planning on going mad from now on I will be using my own judgement on if something is safe or not (and tbh my inclination is to be far more stringent towards precautions than the official guidance!).

As far as I'm concerned the rules either apply to everybody or nobody - yesterdays briefing was very clear they dont apply to everyone, so the hell with it. Nothing I would do could possibly present a higher risk than what Cummings is known to have done, let alone the additional allegations.

I voted YABU because this had had no effect on my view of the situation (although I’m not resolutely sticking to ‘the rules’ per se).

YABU

Covid19 is not a political statement, it's a global pandemic. Bit tragic that so many people are throwing their toys out of the prams because they are bored of the inconvenience.

twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1264458336663109632?s=20

For those asking about a source to do with vaccine issues. His other tweets are very interesting, and sensible

I will continue to stuck to the rules because (1) I don't want to catch it (2) I don't want to pass anything onto my family/friends or anyone else.

However, this is a big problem if nearly half of the population now think it's ok to not follow the rules because of DCummings without a proper explanation. If there is a second (more severe) wave, it's going to be a nightmare and it will rip through the UK.

DCummings may have a reason as to why he felt the need to travel several hours away to isolate. Maybe child has some medical need ? He may feel that it's his private business and does not need to explain the reasons for doing it, but if he or the PM do not clarify the matter and provide a reasonable explanation, then in the next wave there will be a much lower level of compliance, so something needs to happen.

I am already observing lots of non-compliance with social distancing so actually more fearful of going out now than during lockdown. This situation is going to make social distancing even worse.

No, of course not. I'm not a child.

All the other twats being reckless in lockdown haven't altered my behaviour either.

It's a bit of an odd question.

Nope, I will be staying home despite desperately wanting to see people and travel. The whole Cummings thing has simply proven to me that he is a selfish pray, just as I suspected. No need for me to be one as well.

No because, unlike Dominic Cummings, I'm not a selfish, arrogant arsehole and I have some sense of social responsibility.

I really don't remember all the Labour MPs getting as much stick. Where was all the venom then?

I think that in the main, the difference between the people voting YABU and YANBU after the Cummings incident will be between people who are or who are likely to be personally affected by the Covid crisis; and those who aren't. If you or someone in your household is shielding, or if your have elderly or vulnerable relatives, you are likely to continue sticking to the rules, as why should one dickhead impact everyone elses' behaviour. However, if, like me, you are not vulnerable and don't know anyone who is, and were only ever sticking to the rules for altruistic reasons, for the greater good, and because you thought it was what you were supposed to be doing , then post the Dominic Cummings Corona tour of the UK you feel like a bit of a mug. I did for the first time this morning take the bus into town rather than doing the 40 minute walk each way (bursting for the loo on the way back) because why shouldn't I. I want to get the bus so I'll get the bus. Apparently that's how we interpret the rules now.

Yes.

But only fleetingly.

I then remembered that just because some cunt breaks them and thinks it doesn't matter that doesn't mean I want to be responsible to carry an infection and spreading it or out my family at risk.

I'm doing what's right. Because it's right.

But I won't be backing our government anyone.

It's a rude. People will now think its OK, overwhelmed the NHS, Government will say you brought it on yourself and restrict access the NHS because the public can't be trusted.
Funny how it came out over a bank holiday weekend, when lots of people already knew about this.
Another dodgy tactic, because the Tories want to blame the public, instead of admitting that around 65,000 people have died due to their mismanagement.
Most of Wembley Stadiums capacity.

PafLeChien

YABU

Covid19 is not a political statement, it's a global pandemic. Bit tragic that so many people are throwing their toys out of the prams because they are bored of the inconvenience.“

Couldn’t agree more. Some people just don’t seem to be able to grasp the concept that however much they dislike it, this is nature. 21st Century people are incredibly lucky. Throughout human history, we have lived with the spectre of deadly disease almost ever present. For the past 100 years, in the West at least, we haven’t. This pandemic is long overdue.
However much you may rail against it and demand your “rights”, we can’t fight nature. Until a vaccine is developed at least. Until then, we all have to accept our share of responsibility, if we want to continue as a society.
It’s been 2 months. If everyone does their bit this can be over relatively quickly. Yes, it’s at best inconvenient, at worst agonising for some. But we really don’t have a choice. If we can all pull together for a bit longer, this will be over more quickly for everyone.

Egotists like Cummings are an irrelevance. We all need to try to think of the greater good, incredibly hard though that is.

I know I sound sickeningly pious 😊 But I really believe it.

Absolutely. I'm extremely angry. My willingness to comply with the rules has dropped to about zero now. The government clearly doesn't believe in the rules if it's fine for him to have done what he did.

Chillipeanuts Totally agree. Well put.

I'm elderly and classed as vulnerable - have my letter to prove it. I'm also a Conservative voter and solid Leaver, both of which I've been harrassed about.
I have 4 children, 13 grandchildren, not one of whom has set foot in my flat since March, though I see or speak to them every day. We do a family quiz once a week. They do my shopping, put my bins out and play online scrabble with me. I haven't touched a hand, kissed a face or hugged a soul. But I would have been so disappointed had the news been that Dominic Cummings had left his family to their own devices. I see people around me all day, flouting the advice we've been given, no idea or no care for social distancing. That's been their decision, nothing to do with Dominic Cummings. I doubt many had ever heard of him but were quick to jump on the bandwagon without realising that it's the press who caused this. Not one man doing the best for his family. My merry band of neighbours are having a bbq tomorrow, including their families. They won't be using their own cutlery and crockery. They'll be under my window with bbq smoke filling my flat. They'll tell me I'm anti social and need to get out more, knowing why I'm staying in. Sometimes I just sit and cry because I'm lonely, fed up and frustrated. But not because of anything Dominic Cummings did.

I'm likely to follow my instincts a lot more.