Have you thought ‘fuck it’ to lockdown because Dominic Cummings did? Poll!

[FancyARoot]

Interested in how many peoples views on lockdown have changed. I know mine have and that of most of my family and friends.

YABU - nope, still resolutely sticking to the rules
YANBU - fuck it, if it’s ok for him to tour the country with a car full of coronavirus then I can go visit my mum?

Due to circumstances I can’t actually go visit my mum. But after this, if I could be doing then I would be doing.

No I’m still sticking to the rules, although I do understand the idea of why should I? But my moral compass still tells me it’s the right thing to do

But I’ll still follow the rules, because rules are rules.

Johnson says Cummings did follow the rules. In fact, he said Cummings acted “with the overwhelming aim of stopping the virus and saving lives”.

Exactly Fin. If DC did what he did and was called out on it, that would be very different.

But since we’ve been told that what he did was right, and that travelling across the country with coronavirus so that your mum could help with the childcare was actually the right thing to do.....well why wouldn’t anyone else now do the same?

I thought fuck it long before the Cummings scandal

God no. Breaking the rules would put me in the same bracket as Dominic Cummings.

Moral high ground for me and doing my bit for mankind to contain this pandemic.

Dominic Cummings didn't think ' fuck it', he travelled with his family for a reasonable excuse. My DH and I would have had to do the same if we both had symptoms because of childcare - luckily we didn't have to. People are deliberately misinterpreting his actions.

Exactly what @Nihiloxica has posted.

I thought fuck it way before Cummings. The virus is dying out, no 2nd peak after alleged V.E day celebrations (Jesus did people froth at the mouth about that!)

I'll do my own risk assessment thanks.

Don't put anyone at risk. Would you want that on your conscience?

@FamilyOfAliens

Indeed you’re right. (And it’s unbelievable). But when I say I’ll still follow the rules I mean I’m not going to say ‘fuck it’ to the entire lockdown and start hosting family barbecues.

God no. Breaking the rules would put me in the same bracket as Dominic Cummings.

Why is that a bad thing? He didn’t break any rules, according to Johnson. We should all be lining up to “be more Dominic” to prevent the spread of the virus and save lives.

God no. Breaking the rules would put me in the same bracket as Dominic Cummings.

But this is the whole point. Apparently, he didn’t break the rules.

Dominic Cummings didn't think ' fuck it', he travelled with his family for a reasonable excuse.

Is that you Boris? 😂😂

No, I thought "fuck it" a few weeks ago. This lockdown was supposed to be a short term measure to prevent overwhelming the NHS and give them time to prepare. It has done that. I didnt sign up for months of lockdown over a disease which, it turns out, is much milder than originally predicted.

@Zeusthemoose I’m interpreting it that he travelled with his wife who had symptoms despite the guidance saying you should stay at your primary residence as soon as you have symptoms. He also says he didn’t have symptoms when he travelled so therefore he was quite capable of looking after his child himself at that stage. At no point was his child at risk of harm and need looking after by another person. The only help needed from his family in durham was food delivered to the doorstep- there are plenty of people in London who could have bought them food to his home. What have I misinterpreted?

But you already can go to a beach / park / party / Welsh mountain with thousands of others if you choose.

The question is, why would you? If you believe this is a hugely infectious disease and a dreadful way to die, you wouldn't take the risk either for yourself or your family.

Zeusthemoose That’s not true though, is it?
He went out and about when symptomatic, including shopping.
He drove across the country with a symptomatic wife.
If he was well enough to drive and we’ll enough to go shopping, he was well enough to care for his child.
He didn’t use any childcare. It was a holiday.

Neither of your options apply to me. I followed the rules broadly at the start, because I thought it would flatten the curve. It has done.

I've visited my mum in her garden since the first week of lockdown, because as an adult I believe that's a low risk activity.

I'm now following the rules mainly to make others feel safe. I don't personally believe two metres are needed outdoors but I don't want to offend or worry those who do.

Your options only work if when faced with an ethical dilemma, you ask yourself 'what would a senior Tory do' and emulate their example.

travelling across the country with coronavirus so that your mum could help with the childcare was actually the right thing to do.....well why wouldn’t anyone else now do the same?

If you somehow manage to get coronavirus outside a hospital or care home setting, you should be travelling to Oxford in your car so they can use you try to infect vaccine testers.

There is so little of the virus in the community now that it is jeopardising the ability to create and test the vaccine.

(This also happened with SARS and MERS, which is why there is no vaccine for either of these far deadlier coronavirus.)

But you already can go to a beach / park / party / Welsh mountain with thousands of others if you choose.

Actually, you can’t go to a welsh mountain at the moment. The police here are like locusts, they’ve been waiting for a chance to lawfully keep the marauding English out for decades.

But that’s another thread....

@Zeusthemoose

If it’s ok to travel for childcare, then why weren’t the roads full of people with Coronavirus symptoms taking their kids to be looked after by family?

Because people were told they shouldn’t let grandparents look after children.

Because people were told they mustn’t travel to rural areas for fear of overwhelming the local health service.

Because people were told they must not leave their homes AT ALL if they had symptoms of the virus.

Noone’s misinterpreting anyone’s actions. Every parent in the country would be in this predicament if they caught the virus.

I haven’t completely thought ‘fuck it’ and started doing whatever I want. But I am starting to rethink how I interpret the rules. In particular, I’m reconsidering using (young, healthy) family to support with childcare; DH and I are massively struggling with working full-time with a toddler, and I’m just not sure I’m willing to subject us all to this stress any longer.

I had to vote YABU because I am in the shield group

I know full well that the Govt shielded us not from the goodness of their hearts, but because we were a major factor in potentially overwhelming NHS (we’re not an age group, but we are a very lengthy time in hospital group)

So I shall keep going (and I’m on stricter rules than ‘only’ lockdown)

And I am heartened by all those who say they will continue. People like me need people like you, and it’s great to have the reminder that all people are not twats

But at the same time I think the Cummings defence means that anyone in symptomatic/household isolation who has a spot of difficulty, no matter of how many people are using the proper, local services or bringing in family support; should indeed feel free to ignore all those options which provide suitable infection control. If it’s OK to travel when you should be isolating for household symptoms, then I’m not going to decry people for doing so.

Sauce for goose is source for gander

It does mean however that there isn’t a hope in hell for adequate compliance with test/track/trace.

Boris is a known liar so I wouldn’t rely on him telling us all what “happened“ (except he didn’t tell us, he only told us what conclusion he had come to) and to essentially shut up and go away, to be any kind of basis from which to view the situation.

The main point is that by keeping Cummings on the public health message is diluted and that is not good for any of us. And politically it is proving difficult for Johnson. I think Cummings will soon be gone.

Ha ha FancyARoot,
There was a road block in my village yesterday trying to stop English people sneaking into Wales via the back roads.