to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 2

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New thread to continue previous one, hope you don't mind original OP!

Yeah, the Cummings family are probably the only people dealing with a death in the family at the moment, and everyone else has been legally allowed to travel to give emotional support (and have some nice days out while there). Well I would have done the same as him.

14,000 Brits Could Now Appeal Lockdown Fines Thanks to Dominic Cummings
Good luck to them.

I supported the lockdown laws and was happy to see people be fines for breaching them, but if the powerful wont be held to account for breaking the law (and the PM will try to gaslight the nation instead), then the law needs to go.

In a democratic society, the laws either apply to everyone or no-one. Boris has confirmed the lockdown laws dont apply to Cummings so we need to toss them out and quash any fines.

That New Statesman piece is really poorly judged. Its just tightening the noose.

From the NS article -
I asked her whether Cummings had, therefore, gone up to Durham partly as a consequence of Laws being in hospital. She declined to say, but added, “I have no other comment to make other than to say that my brother died on Palm Sunday, and the press has not been cognisant of that fact, either from Dominic’s point of view or from mine.”

So they're now trying this tack? Stop being horrible to our family because we have lost a loved-one? I don't know why they think that will work any better than the child-care lies - many thousands of families have lost loved-ones and stuck to the guidelines.

Well I would have done the same as him.

And if caught, you would have faced legal consequences.

Cummings wont, because he is better than you and your family, apparently.

I think he will resign soon

Well that's a good idea to put up a huge screen with speakers in a residential area where neighbours /families are enjoying a sunny bank holiday weekend in their gardens. I expect there is also a fairly large media presence with no thought to social distancing to add into the mix. Good work 'Led by Donkeys'. And people are moaning about DC.

And if caught, you would have faced legal consequences What were they? I wouldn't have cared less

To be fair derxa you’re not in the government. It’s a slightly different situation.

Fines, like 14,000 other people received.

I dont particularly care whether you would have broken the law or not, what I care about is that the law should be applied evenly to everyone. Its called the Rule of Law and is a cornerstone of democratic society.

Well I would have done the same as him

You wouldn't have cared if you knew you could be carrying CV and infect others in your family? Elderly relatives in the highest risk category?

That Spectator article shares the same underlying attitude that the supportive tweets from MPs did yesterday: that none of us expressing our shock can have any similar experiences.

Some of his fiercest critics are not speculating on what they think they would have done. In many cases they are reacting, based on what they did.

Cummings and Wakefield are not the only couple with a young child who worried about what they would do if they both became too sick to care for him. They might have been the first couple they knew to encounter the problem, but this has come out in May. Loads of us went through this.

They are certainly not the only family to have lost a loved one since March! We are in the midst of a pandemic, and other causes of death have not gone away. My own family has had two losses over this period. Are you going to start sneering at families for abiding by lockdown guidance in the midst of their grief? Perhaps Boris could go on national TV and insinuate that they lack the instincts of a brother/sister/nephew/niece and so on if they stuck to phone calls to offer comfort to each other.

Faugh.

The Spectator has various articles on this. The one I read was very scathing of idle Johnson and virtually says he’s nothing without Cummings. So who is running the show in the Uk? It’s Cummings.

DC's uncle died at this time. He could have been up there ill and supporting his mother. This doesn't excuse anything but I understand.

There's no excusing a man who play a fundemental part in creating rules that prevent you or I supporting our families through grief breaking those very same rules.

All this does is highlight what we've all known since this came out. Dominic Cummings didn't break the rules because he needed childcare or because he wanted to support his mother - Dominic Cummings broke the rules because they didn't apply to him.

None of the rules apply to DC. He shouldn't be on the SAGE panel, but he is. He should have so much sway, but he does. He should be subject to the same rules as the rest of us, but he's not.

If he was the Prime Minister he'd be accused of trying to be a dictator for wanting to have his way so much.

*He shouldn't have so much sway

I have heard DC has some serious leverage over Boris. Boris has massively misjudged the public sentiment on this.

Boris is shitting himself because it was Cummings that got him into the job. He's been pulling all the strings, and Boris knows that he'll likely do the same for the next person if Boris cuts him loose.

It would also leave Boris with no puppeteer.

That is also true. He will really struggle without DC.

Where is Boris’s moral compass?

Did he ever have a moral compass? The man who was sacked twice for lying, has had at least six children by three different women, was responsible for wasting public money whilst Mayor of London?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/dominic-cummings-reported-to-police-as-ex-chief-constable-accuses-him-of-risking-lives/ar-BB14wOxa?ocid=st

All this does is highlight what we've all known since this came out. Dominic Cummings didn't break the rules because he needed childcare or because he wanted to support his mother - Dominic Cummings broke the rules because they didn't apply to him. It suits you to portray him as someone devoid of human feelings.

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Our notifications are going absolutely crazy. This thing is going to destroy the government. I have never witnessed anything like this.

twitter.com/evolvepolitics/status/1264596881704976384?s=20

Someone who isnt bothered if a few pensioners die IS someone devoid of human feelings.

It suits you to portray him as someone devoid of human feelings.

And how do you work that out?

There is no other logical explanation for the breathtaking arrogance of the man.

If he’d come out and said “You know what, I wanted my kid with my parents and I wanted to comfort my mum while her brother was fighting for his life so I decided ‘fuck it’ and went” I’d have more respect for him than his arrogant state-backed gaslighting attempt

I see it also suited you to chop my post in half and ignore the bits that you didn’t have any retort to

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/scientific-advisers-on-lockdown-and-boris-johnson-and-dominic-cummings-1-6668936?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons

Scientific advisers say Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings have ‘trashed’ their lockdown work

A member of the government’s advisory group on behavioural science has said Boris Johnson has “trashed” all the advice he had been given on building the public trust need for lockdown to work

Professor Stephen Reicher is on the Independent Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours (SPI-B) that feeds analysis and advice to the scientists on the Government’s emergency panel.

Speaking after Boris Johnson’s defence of Dominic Cummings at the latest Downing Street press conference, he wrote: “I can say that in a few short minutes tonight, Boris Johnson has trashed all the advice we have given on how to build trust and secure adherence to the measures necessary to control Covid-19.”

In a second tweet, Prof Reicher said: “Be open and honest, we said. Trashed.

Respect the public, we said. Trashed

“Ensure equity, so everyone is treated the same, we said. Trashed.

“Be consistent we said. Trashed.

“Make clear ‘we are all in it together’. Trashed.”

He added: “It is very hard to provide scientific advice to a government which doesn’t want to listen to science.

“I hope, however, that the public will read our papers and continue to make up for this bad government with their own good sense.”

Prof Reicher’s post had been retweeted more than 20,000 times in less than two hours, including by other scientists on SPI-B.

Robert West, professor of Health Psychology at University College London (UCL), agreed with the tweets.

He said: “I am sorry to have to say that as another member of SPI-B I have to agree.”

West’s colleague Susan Michie, director of the university’s Centre for Behaviour Change, said: “As another member of SPI-B, I completely agree.”

Earlier Prof Reicher, who is professor of social psychology at the University of St Andrews, said: “It feels increasingly as if we are living through a Greek drama.

“The kingmaker Cummings’ fatal flaw of hubris brings down both him and the king… what makes it tragedy is that such incompetence and turmoil will bring the people down as well.”

It suits you to portray him as someone devoid of human feelings

And it suits you to defend him to fit some agenda of your own. Or maybe it boosts your ego to play the 'maverick'?

Cummings shows contempt for the human feelings of others by his actions and his words.