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to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 2

999 replies

SophieB100 · 24/05/2020 16:46

New thread to continue previous one, hope you don't mind original OP!

OP posts:
HeIenaDove · 24/05/2020 22:11

the only person who seems to care is Piers Morgan

It was Channel 4 news who put the pressure on weeks ago. And there have been numerous threads on here about it Ive contributed to a lot of them.

@Swiftseason But it needs to be treated with the respect it deserves not used as whataboutery.

Rinoachicken · 24/05/2020 22:22

If his son does have ASD, As the mother of a son with ASD myself I can certainly understand the need to have familiar carers in the event they became seriously ill themselves.

BUT - there was still no need to travel! Stay in your own familiar home, IF they then became seriously unwell then I have no doubt that special arrangements could (and should) have been made to either bring the parents down to fetch him or care for him there. At the time they travelled they were NOT seriously ill and had no way of knowing if they would become so or not - they should have stayed at home.

Mittens030869 · 24/05/2020 22:27

@YouTheCat I'm no fan of his by any stretch, but he wouldn't have won the general election with a big majority the way he's performing as PM now. He was. a much more charismatic personality before

ListeningQuietly · 24/05/2020 22:29

If you are ill noro, flu, chicken pox, you name it
you should not drive the length of the country with a 4 year old
repeatedly
how hard is that to understand
Covid or no Covid

HeIenaDove · 24/05/2020 22:32

Here is actor Samuel Wests message to his MP He put a screenshot of it on Twitter.

twitter.com/exitthelemming/status/1264650417901838339?s=20

Mittens030869 · 24/05/2020 22:33

@ListeningQuietly That was completely wrong, I agree. There were absolutely no excuses for what Cummings did. He should have resigned or been sacked. Pathetic.

StormzyinaTCup · 24/05/2020 22:36

Rhino*I have a son with ASD too (now a teen) but if he was the only child and aged 4 with his mother already not feeling well with suspected Covid, I would not just sit tight and see how it played out. If I had guest accommodation available to me at a house that would be familiar to him and with people he knows, too right I would do that trip (in the safest way possible) and I wouldn’t care if anyone had a problem with it.

Notmyrealname855 · 24/05/2020 22:41

But Mary Wakefield has family in London.

And Cummings’ family (sister?) could’ve travelled to London instead of him and wife and DC to Durham, only to make the journey a number of times. And then to beauty spots.

Rinoachicken · 24/05/2020 22:46

@StormzyinaTCup

He is a millionaire with a large London house complete with live in nanny. I’m quite sure he has the space and funds available to accommodate anyone he wished to care for his child IN HIS OWN HOME.

YouTheCat · 24/05/2020 22:48

Mittens, I meant at the beginning of the pandemic - very dodgy decisions. Didn't lock down early enough or sign up to ppe stuff. No proper quarantine of people coming into the country.

I am also no fan and have thought he was a dangerous man since before he was mayor of London. I would love to be wrong.

Mittens030869 · 24/05/2020 22:49

I agree with all the criticisms. There was no reason for him and his wife and DS to go up north at all. It makes no sense at all.

YouTheCat · 24/05/2020 22:51

I have two children on the spectrum. Ds's psychiatrist said he presented with the most complex needs she had ever encountered (and she had been working in the field for 10 years). Dd (twin sister to ds) has Aspergers. At 4, they were a doddle. At 7 bit of a mare and from 9 onwards I was very much struggling, especially with ds and violence.

Mittens030869 · 24/05/2020 22:52

@YouTheCat You won't be wrong at all, sadly. I blame BoJo and Cummings squarely for the UK having such a high death toll.

illclapwheniminpressed · 24/05/2020 22:55

Boris says that he was putting his 4 yr old ds first, as he didn't want the child to get sick, but isn't he trying to get children back to school at the moment stating that children are very low risk of catching it?...

All of it is Bullshit

YouTheCat · 24/05/2020 22:58

When he was arsing about on that bus at the Olympics I just don't know how anyone could believe this man to be in any way competent. And it saddens me greatly that he was elected and has proved to be so dreadful.

StormzyinaTCup · 24/05/2020 23:04

He is a millionaire with a large London house complete with live in nanny. I’m quite sure he has the space and funds available to accommodate anyone he wished to care for his child IN HIS OWN HOME

1)Was the nanny there? I thought they weren't supposed to be working, maybe he could have bribed her to stay.

  1. who is going to want to come and stay in a house that has Covid anyway. Or are you suggesting because it's a large house the child should be kept in a separate wing completely away from his parents for 2 weeks?
YouTheCat · 24/05/2020 23:08

I'm sorry but other people have had much bigger problems to tackle, juggling childcare and being nurses. Being separated from their children so they could continue caring for the sick. The child has two parents and relatives a few streets away.

Rinoachicken · 24/05/2020 23:08

@StormzyinaTCup

The guidelines clearly stated that the infected person should isolate within their own home. The mother was sick and should have self isolated in her own home. Father should have cared for his child. If he then became also too ill to care for the child (and mother had not yet recovered enough to take over) then another relative or carer should then have been bought it.

derxa · 24/05/2020 23:17

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/05/exclusive-dominic-cummings-parents-defend-their-son-he-faces-demands-resign
DC's uncle died at this time. He could have been up there ill and supporting his mother. This doesn't excuse anything but I understand.

Ratasha · 24/05/2020 23:21

Yeah, the Cummings family are probably the only people dealing with a death in the family at the moment, and everyone else has been legally allowed to travel to give emotional support (and have some nice days out while there).

Wrongdissection · 24/05/2020 23:22

I don’t understand @derxa. It’s sad his uncle died but parents have lost children and not been able to attend their funeral because of Cummings own rules.

And not much will convince me that this isn’t the same old story we see on MN hundreds of times a week. DC saw his wife becoming ill and rather than thinking, ‘right, how can I step up and look after my kid’ he ran to his Mammy to help rather than actually be a parent.

HeIenaDove · 24/05/2020 23:26

bylinetimes.com/2020/05/24/14000-brits-could-now-appeal-lockdown-fines-thanks-to-dominic-cummings/

14,000 Brits Could Now Appeal Lockdown Fines
Thanks to Dominic Cummings
Gareth Roberts
24 May 2020

Gareth Roberts explores the unexpected legal consequences of the Government’s defence of the Prime Minister’s chief advisor.

"The Government’s attempts to shore up the position of the Prime Minister’s chief advisor Dominic Cummings, by suggesting that the lockdown provisions are a matter of ‘individual responsibility’, may lead to the courts being swamped with appeals against fines imposed under its Coronavirus regulations.

Section 6 of The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 states that no person may leave the place they are living without reasonable excuse. It then sets out the 13 situations which may be deemed reasonable. What it specifically does not do is set out a subjective test whereby individuals may ignore the regulations if they feel that that is the right thing to do, because such a clause would be a legal absurdity – a bit like saying that you can’t burgle someone’s house unless you think it is the right thing to do.

Section 9 of the same provisions gives the police the power to enforce these provisions and fines of up to £3,200 have been set in England (Wales has similar provisions but a maximum fine of £1,920).

The powers have been implemented enthusiastically by police forces around the country – if you are not able to provide an explanation under one of the 13 exceptions and you are away from home, you are convicted. So far, more than 14,000 people have been convicted and fined for breaching these regulations

In yesterday’s Downing Street briefing, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps seemed to change the law, declaring that the lockdown provisions were a matter of individual responsibility.

The Attorney General – nominally the top lawyer in the country – Suella Braverman also posted a tweet implying that the lockdown provisions may not apply to an individual who was being a “good parent” – which also amounts to a fundamental change in the law as ‘being a good parent’ is not a specified exemption in the regulations, and for a good reason. As any lawyer knows, breaking a law cannot be justified by a test as flimsy as this. Again, using the burglary example, an individual caught burgling a house would not be able to mount a defence of ‘I was burgling the house because my children need to eat’. That would amount to mitigation, nothing more.

Of the 14,000 people fined under these provisions, how many of them may have been able to say ‘I was away from home because I needed to carry out my parental responsibilities’ or ‘I was away from my home because I believe that in my own individual circumstances it was the right thing to do’?

Until yesterday, that defence did not appear to be available to them and they were fined. Now, after the intervention of Government ministers – including, most significantly, the Attorney General – it is not clear.

As such, it is open to those who have been fined under the Coronavirus regulations to appeal their convictions and their fines. They can do this either by going to a magistrates court and asking for their conviction to be appealed by what lawyers call ‘an appeal by way of case stated’ – which is when they ask a judge to pose a legal question for the Divisional Court to consider and clarify, such as: ‘can an individual determine whether the Coronavirus lockdown provisions apply to them?’. Or alternatively, they could appeal to the Administrative Court testing whether, in light of the Attorney General’s remarks the provisions of the regulations are reasonable.

Either way, the superior courts of England and Wales are destined to be kept busy by many hundreds of appeals resulting from the Government’s desperate attempt to keep Dominic Cummings in his job"

illclapwheniminpressed · 24/05/2020 23:29

I think he will resign soon

to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 2
MaxNormal · 24/05/2020 23:29

That New Statesman article is breathtaking in it's oblivious entitlement.

MahwaffnaoDave · 24/05/2020 23:30

The childcare excuse has been exposed as a load of old bollocks.

The man repeatedly broke lockdown travel rules. On being caught, he tried to use his own child to emotionally blackmail a nation, and Prime Minister said it was fine.

Should he go? Yes, to court.