to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 2

[SophieB100]

New thread to continue previous one, hope you don't mind original OP!

@Swiftseason no it was a woman sobbing from intensive care, and another who was a single mum but followed what she perceived to be the rules and just got on with it when she was really ill

YouTheCat
My thoughts as well.

YouTheCat
Your first link.

Oh blimey! I'll have to go back and see which was which now.

A subject very close to my heart with two adult children with autism.

What I find most frustrating about this is actually not Cummings' actions, although they're bad enough.

It is that all his friends are defending him by fair means or foul. They know that the rules won't apply to them if they keep behaving as they do.

It's just the same as the expense claim scandals.

And they do this because (and this is the most frustrating thing of all) they know that the public will re-elect them, thinking that's how all politicians behave.

Can you imagine Jacinda Ardern of NZ behaving like this? She wouldn't, because she knows it's wrong, ie, she is the product of a different sort of political culture.

As someone on another thread wisely said: there are Jacinda Arderns everywhere. However, the public has to have the gumption to elect them.

Certainly Boris Johnson referred to medical reasons this afternoon.

He needs to go. As does Johnson now.

I am so cross. Where is Boris’s moral compass? All this will ha e been in vain as, mid bank holiday He has effectively told us all bets are off. People can just ask themselves ‘what would Demonic do?’ And justify any behaviour they like with regards to travel and visiting. He’s a prize fool.

I was wondering the exact same thing this afternoon, has anyone actually stopped long enough to consider that his son may have SN.

The question is. Has. He. Put. Anyone. Else. At. Risk. Of course transmission.
That is the bottom line and crucial question.

I think only the police will be able to investigate and answer that question.

If his son does have additional needs then surely he'd have rethought his eugenics leanings?

@SophieB100

I think most Tory voters are like your mum. My Tory voting family members are angry with Johnson over this too. It's only those who will mindlessly support 'their' guy/party who are Cummings-swallowers, and happily they seem to be in the minority.

Can you imagine Jacinda Ardern of NZ behaving like this?

She has a coalition government with New Zealand First - a nationalist and populist party - their leader is her deputy prime minister - he might as well be Nigel Farage.

I understood Boris to have said he couldn't receive help from the family on London due to medical reasons he didn't feel it in his place to disclose.

In fact the only thing I think he said all briefing that had any integrity was protecting personal details of people's health.

Storm it's been said dc himself has.

I have 2 dc and I've had very close relative with quite extreme ld.

I wouldn't know if second dc has but my goodness I just couldn't cope being ill with dc2...

In fact the only thing I think he said all briefing that had any integrity was protecting personal details of people's health

Except that's probably a lie as well, something to say that he knows won't be questioned.

Totally fair to not divulge medical things. But they didn't need to rely on family anyway. I'm pretty sure something would have been sorted out closer to their home, safely.

Between Brexit, CV19, slip shod rules and so on, honestly the country is totally being run by a bunch of total incompetents.

Not that they care. Boris had a breakdown, not CV IMO. He is not looking very well and doesn't make any sense. I think the whole PM thing is overwhelming for him now, since he hasn't got the energy or intellect, or decision making processes that are needed now.

What a time to have a lame duck PM. And a Civil Service who intensely dislike Cummings machinations against them. Sad and bad times.

Having lost 3 very close family members at a relativity young age... Two tragically and one naturally. I can tell you now.

The covid virus is new. We don't know that much about it. It can incubate for longer than 14 days but that's unusual.

If I had older parents but particularly those alone... Without other close family near, I would have strictly incubated myself and my children, probably for 21 days to be sure then gone and seen them....

As long as their end they had also been pretty strict.
There is no way in this earth I wouldn't see my beloved parent.
In the early days that may mean in the garden!!

But I'd use common sense and information about how the virus transmits

The saddest senario of all is an ELDERY alone parent being left alone without sight of family then adversely catching covid and dying or dying of something else

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I know that there is no blue print or code for any disability.... Each child will have their quirks.

From personal experience I don't know how you can speak so surely that they couldn't yet help. If

Swift, I do agree there but DC's parents weren't alone.

My parents were both dead (Dad from skin cancer in '97 and mum from medical negligence having nodes removed from her vocal chords in '99) so I also don't have older parents to worry about.

My aunt is 82 and going slightly crazy at having to stay in but at least she has a garden to potter in.

“There is no way in this earth I wouldn't see my beloved parent."
If they were in a hospital or care home you wouldn't have a choice.

@PickUpThePieces Thank you. What I think is, either Boris is well enough to be PM or he isn't. I can have sympathy on a human level, as I've also been very unwell, and I wasn't even in hospital. I wouldn't be well enough as I'm exhausted a lot of the time.

But if he isn't well enough he needs to stand down because we need a PM who is well enough to do the job he's been elected to do. A lame duck PM is not what the country needs at any time, let alone now.

But Johnson was ineffective and crap before he had the virus.