To be annoyed that not all year 6 children that want to return to school can?

[spongebunnyfatpants]

This is not a teacher or school bashing thread, I'm just interested in people's thoughts.

My child is in year 6, we have just been informed that out of a class of 30 only 10 children will be allowed to return to school because they don't have the staff to provide for any more.

These 10 children will be chosen on a first come first served basis, we have to email if we want our child to return.

This means that some children who want to return won't be able to.

AIBU to think that this is very unfair and that part time schooling for more groups would be more appropriate rather than one group in all the time.

Out secondary has hardly any keyworker children in and year 10's have been told they will just get some teacher time
There are loads of classrooms and teachers in secondary surely to have small groups of 10 year 6's just in for day wouldn't be an issue so they are at least familiar with their new school

Oh so you would like ten kids wondering around the whole of the high school to get familiar with the dance studio, canteen, hall, library, tutor room, halls, toilets

Who’s going to clean that lot?

IF they were allowed, it would be one classroom. Where they’d eat their lunch the same as every other year 10.

They wouldn’t be allowed books, equipment, iPads, nothing would be marked, Only a teacher talking to them.

@Redwinestillfine key worker uptake varies. It has been quite hard to meet criteria (it's quite common to need both parents to be a key worker to qualify). Plus we were told to only use if essential.

My DDs school aren't opening to any of EYFS, year 1 or year 6. They are opening wider to key worker children and vulnerable kids.

Think it's sensible and fair.

Goodness me green tulips, your post is horrible.

You resent cleaning up a bit after some y6 kids potentially visiting their new school after having been out of school for months.

If you work with kids, You should be ashamed of your attitude.

For God's sake, it's not a bit of cleaning! It's steam cleaning any soft furnishings and carpets, wiping down walls and doors, all hard surfaces they might have touched, deep cleaning all the toilets, cleaning the chairs, tables, any resources used, it's not a quick wipe over with a j cloth!

A bit of cleaning 🤣
Aren't we all supposed to be cleaning extra around our houses still?
Wipe and isolate all the mail.
All the wiping all food and well anything that comes in.
The palavour when you go out and all the washering stuff when you get home?
Wipe the sides goodness knows how many times a day.
The constant cleaning of the sink, loo and handles every time (even better when you constantly pee because knackered kidney and stuff)
That's even before the floors and walls need bloody wiping cos something came in.

I'm really interested to see how this will pan out because exceptation and reality will be a massive shock to the systems.

And the really sad bloody thing is we can predict the complaints at the end of the first day back, because you lot had to follow what you are told to by government.

So glad I left education years ago. I would be handing in my notice now, even if it is the wrong time of the year. I know we get into it because we enjoy the majority of the job. It's amazing seeing their faces when they learn something new. The random. questions etc. But at the end of the day, you really have to start thinking about yourselves. This already has, and will continue to break many fabulous educational workers. When it's time, run. And this goes to all of you key workers out there. Miss it, but will never go back,

Aren't we all supposed to be cleaning extra around our houses still?
Wipe and isolate all the mail.
All the wiping all food and well anything that comes in.
The palavour when you go out and all the washering stuff when you get home?
Wipe the sides goodness knows how many times a day.
The constant cleaning of the sink, loo and handles every time (even better when you constantly pee because knackered kidney and stuff)
That's even before the floors and walls need bloody wiping cos something came in.

You may well still be doing all these things, but some of us never have been (obviously doing cleaning, but not constantly and not washing food and quarantining post etc.).

You’d have to if you are responsible for other people’s children.

spanieleyes

Thank you.

I think the cleaners have enough to do.

You’d have to if you are responsible for other people’s children.

If that was in reply to me, I was responding to the previous poster who was talking about what she does at home because she seemed to assume that everybody did all of these things, but granted off topic.

Obviously the level of cleaning needed is different in school where there would be children and staff coming in from different households and touching things, compared to one family in a house.

🤣🤣like who has time for any of that?

I thought it was clear I was asking isn’t it what we are supposed to do in relation to the bit of cleaning comment from someone else. 🤣🤣

Kidney thing, 20 extra pees a morning kind of thing like will be happening when they go back.

First come first served favors parents like me who are always on top of every little detail about school. Which kids least need to go back? Kids like mine with school obsessed parents who are often well-educated and can afford expensive phone plans where we get instant notifications of school messages.

Why not open up to tiers of key workers and vulnerable and SEN: ie first to both key workers parents and vulnerable kids, then 1 key worker parent, then SEN (if can be accommodated in a social distancing setting), then maybe those who are deemed educationally at risk - ie poor access to internet and devices?

Daffodil101

I’m going to reply to you because I went to bed last night thinking about your comment.

How would you like ten 10 year olds to visit your home? They have free access to the whole place, they can explore all cupboards, books, shelves, toys, seats, they can go through your fridge and play in the garden.

You must clean each door handle and toilet after it’s been touched before someone else touches them.

Now after their visit you must clean every surface, flirt, wall, handle, book, laptop, desk, table, light fitting ready for the next 10 the next day.

Ready?

@Namenic that is how our school has decided to do it. The LA are now asking the other schools to do a similar approach.

Schools know who needs to be in and who doesn't. They should have the freedom.

@Namenic I don't know if it's an LEA wide thing but that's more or less how my DD school is open, already.
She has a place (if we want it - we have used a few days to give her respite from her SEN brother) because DH is a KW (I would give way in a heartbeat for a family with two KW, or single parent etc. but they've said it's open for her).
Her classmate who has SEN but no EHCP has a place.
Other children who are vulnerable have a place, as do others with one KW parent.
I don't think they've opened up to the digitally deprived yet but they have said that they cannot open more fully with the right number per classroom because it would take more classrooms than they have.

I will need to go in and clean at my school. I'm not hired as a cleaner , but I'll do it. So much cleaning going on I doubt the teachers will have time to do anything else with the children.
I think parents will expect them to be taught but that won't happen if they are cleaning all the time and everyone will be so stressed.
I'll go in but I'm dreading it all to be honest and I feel sorry for the kids keeping in their bubbles.
I think a lot of people will resign as well.

I really feel for you guys. People have been saying from the beginning when they do open it won’t be a dive straight back in.

Maybe all the cleaning we are supposed to be doing at home should have been compulsory.

Have some of the restrictions been lifted in regards to using sprays? When I was in it, we weren’t allowed to use a lot of things near the kids. Anything beyond washing up liquid had to be kept locked away.

Oh just remembered not all classrooms have a sink in them either

Why not open up to tiers of key workers and vulnerable and SEN: ie first to both key workers parents and vulnerable kids, then 1 key worker parent, then SEN (if can be accommodated in a social distancing setting), then maybe those who are deemed educationally at risk - ie poor access to internet and devices

Absolutely this. If getting the children back into education is the political party line, then this would have been far better received. Schools know exactly which children need to be in. Ofsted have been on about the 'bottom 20%' for a while....

It's a complete mess. I think both the Government and teachers are backed into corners now. Schools know that the guidance is unworkable, Gov refuses to budge so we now have a plan that doesn't really work for anyone.

(FWIW I do actually have a sink in my KS1 classroom. It has both hot and cold taps. Unfortunately, because of tight budgets, only the cold one is plumbed in. And we ran out of soap months ago...)

YANBU - but you'd think it would be logical to offer it out to kids on pupil premium first, seeing as they are the ones most likely to be disadvantaged by the prolonged spell at home.

A bit of cleaning

Apart from the fact it's a ridiculous comment and so untrue I do think you should know posters before making such general statements about them. Greentulips is dedicated, fair and helpful on the education boards.

I’ve offered to deep clean my children’s school along with several other parents. We have offered to form a cleaning and disinfecting rota six days a week. There are eight of us. We haven’t received a reply.

Was this during the school day daffodil? We can't have extra adults on site!

Plus cleaners have to have the right training in chemical use etc

It’s not just mopping