To ask whether anyone who voted Conservative regrets it now?

[Lifestyleinlondon88]

I would very curious to see if anyone would have voted differently, or if they had the chance to change their vote now would you?

It seems most labour luvvies just have an ideological opposition to strong leaders. All this thread has thrown up is the classic, Boris is evil because he couldn't tell the future and therefore didn't act appropriately to create a socialist state fast enough.

Not one poster has provided any evidence that Labour or Sir Stamerer was calling for a full metal jacket lock down in February or the purchase of gazillions of ventilators or PPE.

Labour supporters are fanatically loyal, so for Corbyn to do so badly is a monumental feat that he should be praised for. All hail. Tories on the other hand will drop a leader like a hot potato the moment she or he messes up. So far no sign of Boris messing up, despite the hard lefts attempts to rewrite history.

You keep telling yourself that @ZombieFan. I’m sure it comforts you as you contemplate the current shitshow.

Most people’s idea of hell, I’m afraid. And why exactly would a temporary government of 4 or 5 leaders and a shedload of backseat drivers have been any better at decision-making?

I think it's called Collective Cabinet Responsibility and it's the way government usually works in the UK. If you think any of the mainstream parties are monolithic structures falling into unified slavish step behind a strong leader then you are very naive. They're all coalitions of factions and groups fighting like ferrets in a sack behind the scenes but presenting a smiling happy face of 'party unity' for the public. The ones best able to perform this con job are usually voted in. The Tories and the SNP are really good at it at the moment. The Lib Dems and Labour less so. (Don't know enough about about Plaid Cymru or NI parties to comment.)

It seems most labour luvvies just have an ideological opposition to strong leaders.

Are you seriously calling Johnson a strong leader?

And, surely, Labour luvvies are fond of the Stalin style of leadership, no?

People are so hypocritical saying how do you know Corbyn would of been worse , well how do you know he would of been better? You don't , you don't know the answer to either and neither does he
But no opposition party was screaming to shut down loads sooner

But people really need to accept conservatives are in power now for next 4 years or so , you can have your say at the next elections
Some wanted tougher lockdown some didn't , it's a bit of a no win situation with regards to certain things

@Lweji have our deaths not gone down the last few days ?
Infections I would expect to prob go up as we really testing more , when you see how many tests have been done in some countries compared to others it's not surprising more cases have been picked up

But people really need to accept conservatives are in power now for next 4 years or so , you can have your say at the next elections

We have accepted it. Nobody can stop us saying how shit it is though.

It seems most labour luvvies just have an ideological opposition to strong leaders

Hardly. No-one could call Blair weak.

"Labour luvvies" is such a lazy phrase, too. Can't you think of something more original?

I don't think there's any challenging the 'pulled myself up by the bootstraps' voters.

I’m sure it comforts you as you contemplate the current shitshow
No comfort needed, sometimes natural disasters happens, the circle of life and all that. But if it helps you focus your anger at a person rather than deal with the actual situation then go ahead.

No regrets . Would have admitted it if I had .

But I am happy me have what seems to be a more effective opposition leader . It is vital to keep a government in check ( not the job of the media)

I have voted labour in the past but NEVER would have voted labour with corbyn in charge.

@strugglingwithdeciding

You are wrong, another party did ask the government to lock down, another party also pointed out that there was a large portion of society on zero hours contracts who would be forced to stay at home if ill, thereby forcing them to lie to keep a roof over their children's heads. Another party asked for rent freezes/mortgage holidays and to remove the risk of being evicted during the pandemic.

I reckon that a group of sensible adults (Sturgeon, Starmer/Corbyn etc) round a table would have come to a more cautious and sensible concensus about how to deal with Covid. They would certainly have put lives before millionaires and their money.
Personally I can't see the leader of the SNP or Corbyn as a 'sensible adult'.
Can we blame the world Coronavirus pandemic on Boris Johnson - no. Surely not even a 'sensible' adult would suggest this?

Come on. If you can't read the basic figures to understand how badly we have handled this situation compared to similar countries you must have a very poor grasp of statistics.

hahahaha 'sir stamerer' is the best they can come up with. Fucking hell. You seem to think we're all intimidated by this 'strong leader'. The point is we see him for the extremely weak man he is, along with his cult.

And funnily enough Russia, Italy, US, UK and Brazil all have these populist morons in charge. What do those countries currently have in common?

And people wonder why I support none of these unqualified people acting as politicians.

www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/darwinian-exclusion-or-setting-a-good-example-what-do-mps-make-of-their-return-to-the-chamber

One of the nicer articles. Seems various papers have reported the same thing. At least one had the balls to compare to what they should be doing as Apartied. But in the meantime, there are serious concerns about under 5's. Known about that before Bellend blithered his way through telling the nation there are no concerns and everything will be fine. Seems he hasn't been alert despite telling everyone else to.

Bunch of nobodies with no talent or experience, full of lies (yesterdays was hysterical, isolation on a made-up day? And that was just one of the many told). Whining away about how it's inconvenient and unfair for them to return the fuck to work?

Doesn't matter which party. They are all a load of spineless, lying, two-faced, backstabbing arseholes you could have the misfortune to meet.

And the moron didn't need a bloody crystal ball. Anyone with a brain cell could see what was happening. But yea lets focus on what some other tosser would do if it was him in charge. Who cares what Wally would do, Wally isn't in charge. Bell-End is. Wrap it up how you like, Bellend is in charge.

And wtaf, Vote for them because poor little lamb wouldn't survive on UC. Think we should have a competency test to vote never mind enter parliament. Would love to be around when he's back at work and paying more taxes. Would love to be there when oh shit, company gone bust, and oh no precious lamb will have to live on UC.

Aliens, please, take me away. The lunatics have clearly taken over

I voted Tory because Diane Abbot was a very poor advert fur the Labour Party. The fact they did nothing about her was even worse.

Another massive joke when it comes to voting.

This who fixation of the person, not what the party stands for as a whole.

Oh I only voted for that one, cos well I agreed with the cutting UC, but ooh no, I didn't like their stance on education.

That one wore the wrong shoes.

Oh that Cameron is rather attractive.

People forget they get pushed out all the time. It's not like you all vote when they have a little shuffle.

About time we started headhunting those with actual experience of Economics, Health, Education, Science, Military. etc and people get voted in like that.

Put an end to drag the first random person you bump into or went to school with, or once walked someone's dog about 50 years ago.

No it’s not a massive joke when your front bench can hardly string a coherent argument and your leader doesn’t have the backing of his colleagues.

It does matter.

Would never vote tory, there is a reason it is the CONservative party as I always say 😂. From their smear campaigns on other politicians to shady behaviours in Parliament I think they are a disgrace.

have our deaths not gone down the last few days ?

Saturday and Sunday suffered from the weekend effect. (See attached graph)
Then, while the UK is slowing down deaths, the rate at which they're decreasing isn't great. Compare to Spain, which is less than one week ahead from the first dead. Spain had one week with numbers just below 1000. The UK two weeks with deaths above 1000. And a 3rd if you count the Monday with weekend cases.
Then Spain quickly went down to less than 500, while the UK got just under 500 as of last week. 3 weeks later instead of 1.
The whole response has been slower, but without testing and tracing capacity.

Spain has tested 65 per 1000. The UK 38.
Spain has a rate of deaths/confirmed cases of 10%. The UK 14%. Portugal is 4%. Won't mention Germany.

If anyone thinks the UK is doing well, please let me know how and in what.

Many countries are easing off measures now. PPE and testing and tracing will be key. We'll see how it goes.

Then there's the recent news about Finland, something like 17 confirmed cases from a school that had just re-opened after 2 months absence.

A crystal ball wasn't needed over a week ago when BJ stood in front of the nation revealing the great plan. As the leader of the country, you would assume he would give us very useful bits of info he and his people know about. One of them even talked about it a few weeks ago, it is still undergoing global scientific investigation. Something about the rare Kawasaki disease and Coronavirus. The concerns sound like some serious stuff to warrant global collaboration. Could someone link the findings of the research done either way?

What a crazy world. Having to go onto Twitter, follow well the world, and find news reports outside the UK giving us more advice about what's going on here, than well a load of lies.

Oh damn, though that one was a beauty. (Haha Ikr which one) some government bot making an ass of himself - well the airports in the UK have been isolating since April 30. - or some wording to that effect. A crystal ball isn't needed, that's in your face gaslighting. The bot didn't say this earlier this year, this was said very, very recently. And definitely, after we all knew about the airport farce.

Oh btw that's working out great. Fab news, looks like the isolation restrictions will be lifted in time for that summer holiday abroad. But then hardly surprising is it, look at the speed we went from airplane travel isolation, to with exceptions.

There's a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth about care homes.
I remember in ?2015 the gov wanting to introduce a payment of 37,000 I think it was by everyone to cover care in old age.
There was an outcry and it was dropped.
T May's gov wanted to make a tax on people to pay for care in later life - it was headlined as the Dementia Tax and they had to drop it quick to not lose the election.
Conservatives did try to do something to sort Care Homes but the public didn't want to pay for it.

No.